Comments on: Caste system is not vedic

By: Gurudev

Gurudev — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 03:27:08 +0000

Sure Sainath, will write a detailed post on this sometime.

By: sainath

sainath — Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:28:45 +0000

Gurudev,

1. Could you please throw light on as to from when actually this caste system came into existence or started as a practice in INDIA (HINDUSTAN)…. can we only blame britishers for this ???
Since i guess it was there at the time of Dwapar yuga (Sut putra…) or Treta yuga (Shabri…)

2. Also, how exactly was india and rest of world before mughals (babar) eneterdd in india

I know these are not easy ones… but if you have any idea…

By: StarChava

StarChava — Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:02:32 +0000

Blackman and others you might wish to review the epic poem dramatized as Mahabharata, which is there in many languages subtitled, and all episodes (over 90), my hopes is thast this will bring clarity to your efforts.
As an Indigenous African American woman, jyotisha and educator of these mysteries, I point you in the direction of knowing the transcendental before trying to do anything about the existant fractions of any race, creed, culture, nation or political orientation. They all have their life out of the tree of ignorance and need to control others before learning to control themselves. Therefore blind leads blind and mankind becomes impotent, woman kind become degraded and while many and most suffer a few profit beyond their wildest dreams.

By: Dr Shailesh G

Dr Shailesh G — Fri, 09 Apr 2010 09:06:25 +0000

As I mentioned earlier this country is full of shudras rather mlechhas who are given to ignorance and detest upliftment.
The vedic society and the continuation of that were highly refined, organised human races while today are the chaotic dismembered population of cattle (in their comparision). Most socieities are expected to be like that until this transformation occurs like in some weatern societies (but not all of them!)
The moment a person is born, he assumes a “varna” regardless of his family name, surname, family’s occupation, father’s status and occupation! the probability of a brahmna born in a brahmin family will be o an average nearly only 8% while it would depend on the place and country too.
Now shudra, vaishya, brahman, kshatriya are oversimplification cos there can be atleast 144 varnas but in reality there are billions of varna or traits!!!
earlier socieities only chose four! but even then they were much wise and prudent to actually know the meanings!
This system was only a mean for organisation! everyon must work according to his qualities. these are four basic qualities and rest are permuation n combination of these four. I would like to add a few more like beside this classification varnrahit and dwivarni, tryavarni. means there are are people who can become any of these; and there are people who can have two or three traits at the same time. now, we got to b careful, this number is very small and not everyone can think themselves to be everything!
All varnas are equal, all are desirable, all are valuable, all need attention. Now, even amongst a warrior, a merchantile and a physical workers the wise\teacher\preacher\intelligent\gyani\guru will be taken as supreme!
Why? because, the knowledge is supremest right, also only the seer\guru\pandit\brahman know the truest fact and only he must be believed in case of any doubt, while all other people can dilute the ideals and ved words due to their professions! Thats why, a brahmin has been asked to not indulge in any other profession because there must be someone to seek knowledge too beside other professions which are equal necessary, but all this can adulterate a brahmin and divert him so, the gram\village\rajya\state\country must give patronage to vidwan\pandit\brahman!!
Now who’s brahmin? One who is primarily a scholar, has qualities of either a studnt or guru or both, has merits to indulge in studies and research and when he reachs the pinnacle of knowledge that is knowing about the param parmeshwar or “brahm” itself ie. the essnce of all living and nonliving, manifested or non-manifested matter. then only one will become a “brahmin” and this is only probable one in billion or may be none in many billion people!!!!
who’s pandit? anyone who’s expert or knowledgeable in one field\ subject.
A cow will beget a cow and a crow a crow but a human can beget any of four (andthe multiple) varna!! because with time the consciouness traverses from lower basic one to highest consciousness ie. the cerebral or the uppermost chakra!
A pandit can also be pandit of grasses, textiles, medicine, warfare or even severage\drainage system!! a kshatriya can defend not only his country but a soakpit or may be a canal too. A shudra can be working in his field as farmer, in mines or cleaning your excrements from drainage system.
can we stay alive without food, fire and cleanliness?
We cannot, never.
So all varnas are equal!!
We are the foolish offsprings of sooo great ancestors that we have made a mess of our selves.
We first name a thing good and start believing that its good; when actually after experiencing we can call a thing as good. Isnt that?
We require all our brothers in their respective fields based on their qualitis.
How would we’d do that? By laying strict and secure systems of evaluation which we dont have. objective evaluations than subjectified corrupted systems that give rise to coruption and other havocs!
having said that, what are we going to do to not perish further from this ignorance? Although this is a race which is not brahmin\pamdit or gyani\intelligent it will not get it. That’s why people today love to be called backwards, want privileges all free and in grant!
this is soon going to be rectified by a natural justice, wait for it!!
But still, we can work to enlighten all our countrymen. This is required.
because, in this country 5% people are doing all the things, 95% of people not doing things that they can, even if they do they are not doing the right thing!
so we are living like again the barbarians but more so agonizingly when we had such evolved ancestors!
Just like you need a doctor for your ailments all must consult a pandit (by karma and kaushalya= performance and expertise) for any confusion, but first such pandits must be unearthed and that is only possible by testing them with strict exams! ‘pandit’s have been trying making their unworthy (woerthy o other job) children pandit and others have been following them. this is ruckus!
can we see, why Indian cities are so hell dirty because we hate “shudras” and demean the karma. If we require pandits, we also require shudra, both jobs are different, qualities are diffrently reevered but not the person!! all persons are essencially equal until they prove otherwise.
Even my this comment can be taken wrongly. We must only put- faith; give job;trust a person or offer rewards after one has shown the right qualities. if you dont know go to a wise, real vidwan, gyani or jyotishi. [yes. this is it!]
Today it needs researchers and the real pandits like gurudev here to work more on this and propagate and the govt and pilicy makers utilize the knowledge in Ved for the welfare of every bhartiya.
And it also needs “US” to come together and share.

By: Gurudev

Gurudev — Mon, 30 Nov 2009 14:35:41 +0000

Very true. Calling varna system as caste system is similar to calling modern differentiation between IIT graduates and daily wages labourers as caste system.

By: om

om — Sun, 29 Nov 2009 20:49:56 +0000

Caste is by profession[karma and gyan] which covers qualities,nature,birth etc.So every caste is equal in status and opportunities .We have misunderstood,misinterpreted knowingly and unknowingly due to our selfishness and superiority or ignorance .So UNO and govts and societies should deal accordingly.Equal castes and equal opportunities and services.

By: priya

priya — Fri, 28 Mar 2008 09:38:23 +0000

awesome article gurudev…

Feel very sad that people here have misinterpreted the meaning of “”caste system”" and gather information about it from sources who want to use it for their own selfish interests.

I feel very strongly about it as I am a brahmin (Iyengar) by birth and my entire life has been shattered by this as my family wants to forcibly marry a guy from the same caste even though i like someone else

I have been undergoing this for 10 long years…and i still wait for the day they realize that caste system is nothing to do with birth but to do with the deeds or the knowledge gathered. I dont think I have the strength left to continue this with my family at the same time don’t want to hurt them…just leading a terrible terrible life…hope i hang on to my life till it becomes too late and i decide one day to just end it all…. (sigh)

By: Padmanabha Rao

Padmanabha Rao — Sun, 27 Jan 2008 20:42:34 +0000

I live in India. I believe in caste by birth. I think the absence in society today of actual kshatriyas, actual brahmins, actual sudras and actual vaisyas leads to formations of political groups in place of the castes. The representative democrasy system of national governance ensures the sustenance and flourishing of the political formations. I should know. A brahmin by birth, I am anything but a brahmin.

By: Gurudev

Gurudev — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:48:35 +0000

Yes Black Man, you are absolutely right. People have been misguided for ages in the name of caste system. And certain vested interests want this system to continue even today for their own politicial/ideological purposes.

Only proper education and information can eliminate the notion of caste system.
Varanashrama is all about calling doctor a doctor, merchant a merchant, labourer a labourer! It has nothing to do with either the skin color or the birth of the person, its all about one’s profession.

Yes will definitely list more resources as and when I find them. Thank you very much for your nice, wise thoughtful comments

By: ursri

ursri — Thu, 24 Jan 2008 13:33:54 +0000

Few info about diff. btwn brahmin and Kshatriya.

1. Vedas were taught to one and all in Gurukul.
Ref 1: Kuchela(Brahmin), Krishna (Kshatriya by Birth but Yadav(merchant??? -Vaishya ) as he was adopted and brought up by Nanda & Yashoda)
Ref 2: Ashwatthama – Son of Dronacharya (Brahmin), Kauravas & Pandavas (Kshatryiyas)

2. Kshatriya must use Vedas to protect & rule the nation as per Dharma but Cannot teach
Ref: All most all Kshatriyas mentioned in sacred books
Exception 1: Vishwamitra- born Kshatriya was Guru for Ram & Lakshman. But he is one among Saptarshi and wanted to challenge Dhasharata’s Kulaguru Vasashta Muni as he was his arch rival.

3. Only Brahmins have the Authotity to teach Vedas but cannot rule the nation
Exception 1: Parashurama – Brahmin by Birth , Kshatriya by practice. But still he was a teacher by profession. Ref: He was teacher to Karna who was in disguise.

Exception 2: Kautilya/Chanakya – Author of Artashastra
Due to his oath to bring Chandragupta to throne and dethrone Nada’s he had to get into politics. But once Chandragupta attained the capability rule on his own, Kautilya returned back to his profession-teaching though he could earned enormous wealth, land and fame if he had continued to be in politics.

Exception 3: Vidhyaranya & Vijayanagara Dyanstry
Young brahmin student who rescued hindu lady carried in palaquin being attached by Mlecchas. When questioned by all on why brahmin to be defensive – the act of kshatriya against brahmin dharma, it was mentioned that the boy protected lady who is equivalent to motherly figure-A Goddess- which is duty of every individual. Same boy was none other than Vidhyaranya Ace architech/builder Vijayanagara Dynasty. He continued his profession as teacher even when kingdom was flourishing.