Thanks to the blog visitor who invoked enough curiosity in me to crack down the age of the universe according to the vedas.
Here is the result of the research I did over the internet and dug up through some text material I had, to find the accurate meaning of time measurements specified in the vedas.
Introduction
Vedas say that before the creation of the universe Lord Vishnu is sleeping in the ocean of all causes. His bed is a giant serpent with thousands of cobra like hoods. By the way, in the trinity of Creator, Maintainer and Destroyer as mentioned in the vedas, Lord Vishnu is the maintainer. Brahma is the creator and Shiva the destroyer.
While Vishnu is asleep, a lotus sprouts of his navel (note that navel is symbolised as the root of creation!). Inside this lotus, Brahma resides. Brahma represents the universe which we all live in, and it is this Brahma who creates life forms.
Now take a break here. Vishnu is the personification of the eternal multiverse that exists forever without any beginning or end. Brahma is the personification of our temporary physical universe that was created in the big bang.
Brahma is said to have been created from the navel (which is a single point) of Vishnu, described as a lotus blooming out of the navel, much like our big bang universe. Now this universe represented by Brahma is not a permanent universe, it is temporary, Brahma lives for 100 years say the vedas and then dies and then a new universe (Brahma) is born.
So as per vedas our universe lives for 100 years. Later we shall see how long each year of Brahma is.
For now, brahma represents our universe which has birth and death, a big bang and a big cruch, from a navel singularity. Vishnu represents the eternity that lies beyond our universe which has no birth or death and that which is eternal! Many such universes like ours exist in Vishnu.
Vedas say that thousands of brahmas have passed away! In other words, this is not the first time universe has been created.
Let us come back to the time measurements now. Brahma lives for hundred years say vedas and we are in the first day of the 51st year of the brahma.
A Year of Brahma
By the way each year of Brahma has 360 days. And we are in the first day of the 51st year of our current brahma. Vedas also say that Lord Hanuman will be the next Brahma. Well, thats something I have to do some research into later, the more things to think about, the more happy and occupied I am
Coming back to a day of the Brahma. Well, there is day and night. Vedas say that during the day Brahma is busy in creation of life and during the night all life he created is absorbed back into him! So we will be there only for this day of Brahma, which is the first day of his 51st year. But dont feel sad, let me promise you, this is a pretty long day.
A day of Brahma
Each day of brahma is called a Kalpa, and this itself is very huge a number. No wonder, ancient Indians had to be perfect in mathematics before going into all these things.
A kalpa is made up of brahma’s one day and one night.
Manvantaras
The day has 14 Manvantaras. Similarly the night has an equal 14 Manvantaras. But then Brahma is resting in the night, so lets get back to the day again. We are in the 7th Manvantara of Brahma’s this day, say the vedas.
MahaYuga
Each Manvantara is made up of 71 Mahayuga. We are in the 28th Mahayuga of this Manvantara say the vedas.
A Mahayuga is a collection of 4 Yugas. Maha means giant or huge.
The 4 yugas are Satya Yuga (also called Krita Yuga), Treta Yuga, Dwapara Yuga, Kali Yuga. We are in the Kaliyuga of our current Mahayuga say the vedas.
Satya Yuga lasts for 40% of its Mahayuga – Age of divine where humans need no physical means to exist and are in direct contact with the God
Treta Yuga lasts for 30% of its Mahayuga – Age where bad deeds start appearing, still there is lot of truth, infact 3/4 of this age is still goodness
Dwapara Yuga lasts for 20% of its Mahayuga-Dwapara means after the second, where there are almost equal amount of good and bad
Kali Yuga lasts for 10% of its Mahayuga- Kali means Darkness in Sanskrit (not to be confused with Kaali which is godess), no wonder we are in this age
Now finally we have reached to a timescale which we can relate to our own years.
1 Kaliyuga = 432000 solar years!
A Kaliyuga has the length of one Yuga. So One Mahayuga has 10 Yugas of which four are in Satya Yuga, 3 in Treta Yuga, 2 in Dwapara and 1 in Kali Yuga.
So a Mahayuga = 10 times the Kaliyuga i.e 4,320,000 solar years
Calculations
Let us do some reverse calculations now to find out the age of the universe as per the vedas.
1 Mahayuga = 4,320,000 years
1 Manvantara = 71 Mahayugas
1 day of Brahma = 14 Manvantaras = 994 Mahayugas
Now a small addition here, Vedas also say that before and after each Manvantara there is a gap equivalent to 4 Yugas (Not MahaYugas).
So now, 1 day of Brahma = 14 Manvantaras + (15 x 4 Yugas)
= 994 Mahayugas + 60 Yugas
= 994 Mahayugas + 6 MahaYugas = 1000
So 1 day of Brahma = 1000 MahaYugas = 4,320,000,000 years
1 night is again 1000 MahaYugas = = 4,320,000,000 years
1 Complete day = day + night = 8,640,000,000 years = 8.64 billion years
Note that we are in the 7th Manvantara of this day. So let us calculate how many years have passed since today started for Brahma.
Step 1: For 6 Manvantaras we have 71x 6 = 426 Mahayugas
Step 2: Then we have the gaps between each Manvantara which is 7 x 4 Yugas = 2.8 MahaYugas
Step 3: Then we have the current Mahayuga in our Manvantara which is 28th, we are in the last 1/10 of it (Remember Kaliyuga is the last of 4 yugas and spans 1/10 of a Mahayuga). So it is 27.9 Mahayugas.
So all put together we have 426+2.8+27.9 = 456.7 Mahayugas have been already spent in current day of Brahma. Approximately 543 more to go before we all are absorbed back into the Brahma
Okay so 456.7 in terms of years is 456.7 x 4,320,000 = 1,972,944,456 which is about 2 billion years. Somewhat close to what evolution proposes for life on earth.
Age of the Universe
Now lets find out the age of our universe as per the vedas. Let us consider the age of the Brahma to be the age of the universe. This is one number which no modern theory can even come anywhere near to it.
As we saw earlier a day of Brahma has 2000 MahaYugas (day+night).
There are 360 days in a year for Brahma and we are in the first day of 51st year.
So far 360 x 50= 18000 days have passed for Brahma
This is equivalent to 18000 x 2000 x 4320000 Human Years
In other words 155,520,000,000,000 Human Years
Add the current day of Brahma which is 1,972,944,456 Humans Years
So as per the vedas, the current age of the universe is 155,521,972,944,456 Years which is about 155,522 billion years !!! Modern day science has been able to predict age of our universe to be only about 15-20 billion years! Moreover Since we are in the first day of 51st year of Brahma, almost equal amout of time has to pass before this universe ends!!
So either modern science still has a long way to go in estimating the age of our universe
OR
the universe mentioned in vedas is the mother of all universes (a multiverse probably) including our own universe !!!
More interesting:
Vedas also say that the average human life span in each yuga is as follows:
Kali Yuga = 100 Years
Dwapara Yuga = 1,000 Years
Treta Yuga = 10,000 Years
Satya Yuga = 1,00,000 Years !
I observed another interesting fact here. Vedas are also implying by this that humans are not limited to planet earth nor to this universe alone. We belong to other Yugas as well where we live a longer life!! More than the length of the life, a greater depth as well
Aliens, please come and meet me, wanna discuss a lot, people on earth are busy making money
Brahma, please put me in some parallel universe.
By the way, universe means one verse, the one verse which created this universe “OM”
The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still. - Carl Sagan, Famous Astrophysicist
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DEAR GURUDEV,
VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR REACTION TO STEPHEN HAWKING’S COMMENTS ABOUT THE MIND OF GOD IN HIS BOOK ‘BRIEF HISTORY OF
TIME’ AND RELATED ISSUES IN VEDIC WISDOM.
ALSO I WANT YOUR COMMENTS REGARDING DIALECTICS IN BRAHMASUTRA
BASHYAS AND HEGELIAN DIALECTICS.
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Thanks Sridharan for your comments. Hawking in his book equates understanding the theory of everything to understanding the mind of God, and that is because this theory of everything is supposed to answer all our queries related to how the universe formed, how exactly is it evolving, what exactly is the relation between space, time, matter from the level of quarks to blackholes. So it is like reading what God had in his mind when he created this universe, but Hawking being almost an atheist merely uses the term as a metaphor here.
Vedic wisdom which is more quantum mechanical in nature, and zen buddhism is another philosophical stream which is nearer to this. The difference between science and vedic philosophy is that while science tries to find answer in materialistic terms, the vedic wisdom describes the functioning of the universe in terms of supreme consciousness that it says all pervades the universe. While science tries to discover what the different scientific laws of nature are, vedic wisdom gives them a causal dimension trying to explain why the laws are the way they are. But the discussions all the way concentrate on philosophical approach of understanding the universe by actually getting a feel of having understood it, rather than break it down into mere formulae of modern science. Schrodinger’s equation becomes interesting and one would be able to understand it not by using the formulae and applying it to solve equations, but only by discussing its nature in and out in a language which everybody understands, and that is what vedic teachings do.
Will write an article sometime on the mentioned works, too lengthy to reply in comments
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I want to know about the scientific thoughts in vedas.
i heard that the rishis knew that the earth rotates by itself and revolve the sun. i want to know more. please
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hello sir,
                Is it true that the time come when kaliyuga finished……….reply me
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No it is not true Bhavjeet.
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Brahma Created the universe or life on earth Because to do work ‘Karma” as a part of it. As per vedas, there is not even one anu, Part which doesn’t do work or involve in a change ‘Parivartana’. Creation “Srushti” is the work of Brahma assigned by his master, so he will do his work the ‘karma’. It is also part of his work ‘karma’ to absorb back his creation at the end of the day. So, if there is no life on earth or end to the universe, it is also part of his work the ‘karma’.
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Dear Gurudev,
I am been following your blog since 3-4 weeks. The articles you have written are very informative. I am grateful to u for providing such knowledge to all of us. I have a doubt hope u will clear it.
1> Pls tell me according to the Vedas why the universe was created? (am asking why and not how)
2>According to vedas why their is life of earth?
Warm regards,
arun
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Dear Arun,
Vedas say that the cycle of creation of the universe and its destruction is the result of the thought process in supreme consciousness whom we call Narayana or the Parama Purush. The entire universes are part of this supreme consciousness. The universe is a manifestation of God. All matter contains innate divinity and evolution is the process of realizing that divinity. When the supreme consciousness moves back into yoga nidra ie out of the thought process the universe gets destroyed and again the cycle starts later.
Also, vedas do not say that life is only on earth, there are references in vedic texts for life on other planetary systems also.
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Your work as try good but as standard ….When you explain any thing please refer mandal sookt shlok no. of particular veda. As my knowledge above mention explanation is purana based.
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Hello mr gurudev I wonder whats ur true name, let me know more about you and communicate more. In past so many years I was busy in my hectic medical discourse but I wanted to further my studies in ancient Indian sciences and history. Although being in the cosmic enlightenment center as well as the cultural capital(if one doesnt disagree!) on earth(atleast in recent past)- varansi right now i had access to books but couldn’t read all. So suggest me good things, where u based in India?
I have been a student of physics and maths too and i simply loved astrophysics and its intricacies and latest in astrophysics and everything. basically knowledge are pockets of same flow of wisdom stream!
I wanted to know whats going on in particle physics and right here I wanted to talk about light.
I suspect and our books have enough evidnce to say- light has variable speed!
Plancktonian doctrine might forbid a matter having mass>0 at c=speed of light but it may be that light is tamed in different pockets of universe differently! It’s quite possible that we live in maze which creates a mystery like receding galaxies or ‘bigbang’. I have little doubts in hypothesizing that all the laws that run in a certain geo-galactico-physical reference are not followed elsewhere. We are seperated by big distances to actually fathom closer.
But this distance might not actually be so big that we could not interact with other lifeforms! Its only some mysterious sheet of curtain that creates a maze of huge distances! But this puzzle will only be solved if humans (race and scientists) reached a certain mental or spiritual status!
Only interdisciplinary discussions between thinking people could bringforth something! The “gyan yoga”.
But not evryone can take part here, there are some like ‘nitin’ who’d be scared of thinking too much beyond their cup let them be aloof in their farcical spiritual domains. all the intelligent scientists have talked of the higher consciousness\entity, the religion (not all), Hinduism, Ved and even God. It needs stupendous capacities to know and then to still keep yourselves in right frames of thinking\existence etc!!!
because the boundaries are gigantically mindboggling!!
I suspect there are things which can run faster than light, light can be taken as a perceptible matter, you cannot measure other speed on the scales of physical scale ie. physics. eg.- You cannot eat everything- you cannot eat honesty, similarly one cannot smell the dark etc.
when we leave a certain plane we encounter multiple references and coordinates and we are puzzled, we hardly hv any ability to deal with more than what we can handle.
Theoretically human can become deity and then God. Only connecting line is- the knowledge= “gyan”.
but more of it, all of it.
And I’d say Ved are the highly condensed,abridged pack of wisdom that encompassed huge lengths and time, those who wrote couldnot write all of it, they abridged it, made it palatable to their then disciples but still in so many years the core content has remained although the we haven’t found the methods which would be then for very sure but vanished because of “loss in transit” may be.
It doesn’t matter anyone believes it or not, or anyone wants to claim it or not any sane wise one would find it mindboggling – because of sheer truth not all of which we can ascertain though by current tools.
thanks
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Dr Shailesh G,
sanj001@gmail.com
VNS
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Dr Shailesh,
Gurudev is my real name
Great to hear that you are interested in Physics, and all that you have said is so very true. Especially when you say vedas are highly condensed, its so a right term to use, each single verse contains great amount of knowledge, and this knowledge is revealed depending on how good the reader is in understanding and decoding the context. Great to know about you sir. Yes physics todays speculates the existence of particles called tachyons which are said to travel faster than light and would never slow down below the speed of light! Also due to increasing speed of expanding universe and increasing amount of space being created between galaxies it is also possible that there are faraway galaxies which we can never see or come to know about simply because the space in between is expanding at a speed greater than the speed of light!
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Very insightful and interesting read. Thanks for sharing. It is really amazing that our Vedas are so rich in knowledge and yet we (our population in general) no longer seem to be following/reading them. I am glad that people like you are bringing forth this knowledge to the world.
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Thank you very much for your comments Sandeep. Hope to find more time in the future as there is so much to write
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hey …guru… i am very young by ur age….but am equally intrested in vedas…and the power of ancient history…. i live in lithuania….in europe.
I want to start from scratch …well..my hindi is not very good…it takes much time to read…so can u tell me any site where i am read step by step vedas… and where should i start from….plzzz help me…..i have the thirst for knowledge ….though i have started reading ….but i an not find …very good …source of reading……
regards,
saurabh
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Nice to hear from you Saurabh. Let me know what exactly you are looking for in the vedas and I will try to guide you accordingly.
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Please comment about the calculation in ’The Holy Science’ . I find the calculation in Sri Yukteswarji’s book to be much more convincing. He also tells us why the length of Kaliyuga is not 432,000 years and is actually 1200 years. He says the miscalculation was caused by a scholar in Kaliyuga. In that case, maybe the age of universe is 15 billion years according to Vedas.
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Great! Thanks a lot!
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0.O
Incredible
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This is excellent. What Gurudev said is correct. When compared to vedas, the present science has developed only 20% of the vedas.  In Vedas the birth and death of universe exists but scientists or people don’t know the exact information about the birth and death of universe. Vedas really exists and it is true
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Thank you Sudheer
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Dear Gurudev,
Your post is excellent. Regardless of whether it is “verifiable” or “retrofitting” as others may consider, it shows the tinge of unabashed pride in one’s identity, which is thoroughly lacking in today’s Indians. I don’t think your credibility will go down because of those persons whose forefathers converted to non-Vedic religions just for pecuniary benefits or for a more colorful idendity. To me, one who is unable to digest his identity but speaks as if he knows the most and as if he is the most broad-minded person in the world, is the worst kind of hippocrite and suffers from serious lack of self-esteem.  Ask them to check out http://www.stephen-knapp.com/death_of_the_aryan_invasion_theory.htm.
Regardless of all these QA engineers who are bent on finding faults in your theory, you are one of a kind. You are that rare person who takes pride in his identity and sets out working on his roots no matter what “rationalists” may say.
Once again, kudos to your effect. Some of our prideless Indian brethren may let the Vedic religion go down the drain and adopt the religions that borrowed from us, but the Vedic religion will live forever. That is the true identity of India, the land that was home to great civilizations much before the so-called early civilizations.
Cheers and kudos, once again.
Best Regards,
Sriram
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Dear Sriram,
Thank you very much for your appreciation. Yes I am very proud of my roots and for those rationalists who talk about scientific outlook my answer is that, just look back a bit at the history of modern science and you would see that once in every century or so what was thought to be scientific earlier was proved to be unscientific later. Start with aristotle’s universe and till we arrive at bigbang universe and quantum mechanics and string theory today, a lot of old science is unscientific today. Today Quantum mechanics says telepathy is possible and controlling of events remotely is also possible, general relativity says time travel is possible and tunneling through space is possible, and these rational people call the same instances unscientific when quoted from ancient texts.
Modern science has evolved just over the past few centuries and if in such a short span of time if modern science could achieve so much, then a civilization which existed for a few thousand years definitely would have achieved much more. That is what is more rational to me and I feel that to a large extent modern science is a reinvention of the wheel.
And it doesnt just stop there. All great modern scientists ranging from Einstein, Schrodinger, Heisenberg, Carl Sagan, Oppenheimer etc have read the vedic texts and appreciated them. This is not to say that we need a certificate from the west but to point out that our local rationalists cant even think like these scientists, have no updates on the recent developments in modern science and yet claim to be scientific
Regards
Gurudev
Regards
Gurudev
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Read the “Holy Science” by Sri Yukteshwar giri, the guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda. According to him 1 Mahayuga is 24000 years containing ascending and descending Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali yugas. Also each Satya yuga is 4800 years, treta 3600 years, dwapara 24o0 years and kali 1250 years. According to him we are in ascending Dwapara year 309 to be precise. His reasoning is based on astronomical calculations and he had a different interpretation for Vishnu nabhi. He also quotes sloka from manu Samhita that describes how the yugas are broken down. I feel his explanation was more rational and so I don’t quite agree with the info on this website. Sorry
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I have been writer of Sri Rama Ramayana since 15 years ago and also research the Ramayana Sethu and Lanka . the Simhala (sri lanka) and Ravana lanka two islands different , the sri lanka was south-east side and Lanka was south side , sri lanka 7degrees and lanka upon 0 degree.
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That’s quite interesting. Isn’t Ravana’s lanka the same place to which the bridge from Rameshwaram connects to?
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Respected Gurudev !!
I came across your your Web Site,inicdentally, trying to find the names of the previous kalpas.. !! I found the names and you too .. !!!
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155 Trillion years= age of Brahmaji
Almost half more time is remaining for the universe to be destroyed
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Hello Guru.
I think it has been a great pleasure for me to reach this blog.
I am a great buff of History(especially Indian). I am pursuing MBA from a reputed college in MUMBAI.
I know my interests and my field of study doen’t match at all.
Quite often my friends laugh at my strange obsession.
But I am quite passionate about history. I have read much work on Ancient,Medieval and Modern History.
About two years ago I came in contact with History mentioned in Vedas along with all the other Sciences.
From then I have read much about the Vedic Knowledge from all available sources namely Internet,Libraries etc.
I have read about the incredibly long time spans of yugas , about the great scientific achievements of our ancestor.From my studies I think that vedas and other sacred scriptures of Hinduism like Upanishads ,Ramayan,Mahabharat present not only the History of our Country but that of the World nay of the entire Universe………
I used to think that not much youngsters of this country would be interested in such type of stuff,but seeing this blog ,I am quite delighted.
I will appreciate if you could find me the answers of few questions after doing related research as I could not ascertain them.
From my Knowledge we are at the moment in 7th Manvantra’s 28th MahaYuga’s Kali Yuga of this day of Brahma.
1.Firstly about the Date of Mahabharata
Is it 3139 B.C as thought by relation to beginning of Kali Yuga (3102 B.C.)?
Or it is 5561 B.C as ascertained by Dr. P.V. Vartak in his book “”The Scientific Dating of Mahabharata”"(though beginning of Kali Yuga is same at 3102 B.C)?
2.Secondly about time frame of Lord Rama
in which Mahayuga’s treta Yuga he existed?
I will be quite greatful if you could answer me these questions.
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A person can believe the Vedas, or can actually read them after acquiring the required skills. For laymen like Brad and myself, believing in some scripture is no different from believing in the theory of relativity. I understand that it is simply easier for most of us to believe in modern science because fallibility of modern science implies a total waste of most of our lives and its actions. Imagine how a professor of history would react if he was to face the truth that all his studies were based on not knowledge, but faith!
Many people are stumped by big names. For them, I must mention here that what I just said is basically what Derrida has said about the fundamental place of faith in any knowledge system. The funny thing is that the history professor who vehemently opposes what I just said, would not dare raise a finger against the same thought process if it is labeled “”Derrida”" from the beginning!
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Interesting read. Though I wonder why would anybody believe the vedas!
I could ‘concoct’ stories like these with strange words that allude to the Hindu religion/culture and come up with some stupendous numbers- doesn’t mean you are going to believe me, are you?
Here is a Wiki article – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe
Interestingly, do click on ‘Origin belief’ that corroborates the story here.
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Hey Guru,
You rock man. your knowledge is abundance abt every possible thing, would love to meet you. I stay in US, do let me know how i can meet you.
Do let me know if you would like to visit here, i will arrange.
It would be great to meet you in person and talk to you.
SK
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FTL is not a theory ..it is theoretical speculation.
Nothing can go faster than light is a cardinal principle in physics. If any thing violates that principle , we have to re write the entire laws of physics.
Bose-Einstein Condensation is a mile stone theory , that quantum phenomenon can be observable in the macro level is validated by the experiment. Eric Cornell and Carl Wieman won the Nobel prize for this great achievement in 1995..
Sateyndra Nath Bose a brilliant mathematician from Calcutta from the past years , invented a new type of statistics, that he applied to the group of gas molecules and predicted , at the super cool temperatures these gas molecules will form an exotic matter. Some speculated the machines made from this exotic matter could lead to Time Travel .An active research going on in this area.
A new ,soon to be operational, Hadron super Collider in Sweden expected to lead an unprecedented new discoveries and provide experimental verification for several theories in Physics.
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Its too early to speculate the final outcome of any theory, may be its regarding FTL, for the moment the fact is that quantum mechanics and relativity theory do not agree on vital issues. And another fact is that by each passing day speculation are on rise due to entry of singularity, dark matter, dark energy, role of observer (consciousness) etc. into physics. Euqally important the fact is that there is less scope left for experiments and its more a theoratical excercise. We all have to wait for long to see the issues are settled down in physics, if these will settle at all?
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information cannot travel faster than light
Well… maybe yes… maybe no…

I guess we have to wait for the outcome of this experiment
See this also.
Boy I can’t wait to learn about the result of this…
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Yes Abhilash, relativity does not prohibit FTL, all it says is that information cannot travel faster than light.
But then again we also have quantum non locality, which Einstein called ‘spooky action at a distance’!
As for the universal expansion, its also possible that the physical constants like c,G etc are not really constants, but are variables whose value depends on the age of the universe! Initially the value of c might have been much larger, and as the value of c came down to present value, the earlier expanding universe which was well within the boundaries of the then value of c, today automatically got shifted to the other side of the light speed barrier!
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Physics (special theory of relativity) doesn’t say that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. What it says is that nothing can accelerate from lesser than speed of light to or faster than light speed. Particles that travel faster than light at all times are permitted by the special theory of relativity. Mordern science (at least some noted scholars) does accept that the unobservable universe (beyond the observable boundries) is expanding faster than light.
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I agree with you. Modern sceince is not able to digest the fact that unobservable universe can expanding beyond speed of light. Any favorable answer means entire physics is going to be re-written, since physics say that nothing can travel beyond the speed of light and this is the fact no faint hearted physist worth his salt can do. You see, whats the paradox, physists are happy to live with paradoxes rather than challenging it.
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Thanks Damini for going through the article and analyzing it in detail.
Yes, its premature to consider the value of modern science to be accurate as far as age of universe goes, for there are still a lot of unanswered questions like darkmatter, dark energy, the trigger for bigbang, what lies beyond the observable universe, etc.
Sure will contribute my best to the community mentioned.
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Congrats!!! You have written a wonderful article. Your friend Mr. Arjun from Torronto just told me about it, and
I immediately went thru it. And I found it very interesting.
I think you are right in predicting the age of universe according to vedas.
Firstly, scientists are calculating the age of the universe on the basis the distance (in light years) of remotest galaxies they can find at two opposite directions, since the universe is expanding at the farthest ends at the speed of light. Science call it known universe. But they are silent about the unknown part of the universe, which is beyond the 10 billion light years away. And interestingly they arrived at the same conclusion that the unverse is exactly in its middle age.
The second point which goes in your favor is that the age of fundamental particles goes much beyond the age of universe predicted by the science, that means either the universe is not so small or there are multiple-universes.
Gurdev, you are requested to contribute to the ‘Science in Hinduism’ community on regular basis, so that others can also benefit from your thoughts.
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Nitin
My personal experience is that today more westerners know more about ancient India and its rich vedic science, than Indians themselves.
Most Indian youth are busy imitating the pubs, clubs and discothecs. Forget vedic history, most of them are not even aware of modern history of India and dont even have the basic general knowledge about the country’s recent past. This is a hard fact which I have personally experienced.
If you start counting the number of people studying and doing research on sanskrit and vedic sciences, you will be surprised to see the east-west ratio
It should be the efforts of humanity in its entirety to make use of the best of both modern and ancient knowledge to build a better world.
As far intellectual discussions, its also a pathway of realizing the ultimate universe. Thirst for knowledge is clearly defined by Krishna as one of the paths which he calls Jnana Yoga. Intellectual discussions are a very much part of it and you can find it all across the vedas. Remember the story of Nachiketa?
So its left to the individual to chose the path in which he wants to put his life to best use and to serve the society.
One can follow Bhakti Yoga by being a spiritual person
or one can follow Jnana Yoga by being a scientist or a researcher
or one can even be a dedicated worker and serve the society via Karma Yoga
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Hi!
Modern science has, as did ancient science, had their own frameworks which are a little difficult to find coherence amongst. However, it would take an unaware & egoistic westerner or a moron to think that science in ancient India was less developed than is in current world.
Maybe not so much a “”waste of time”" in the more worldly ways but what I have increasingly realized over time is that it really doesn’t matter as much as we think it does. We already know enough to create a happy world, its time to act.
The greatest gift of India to the world will be a practical framework (some call it religion, culture, god, etc.) for meaningful co-existence. I believe the missing practice is now here in the form of Vipassana and people should concentrate more on practice than intellectual discussions. These unending discussions have lead to this orthodox and under-developed society where people use logic of convenience to turn the course of society in their favor. Discussion will not yield much in itself as it has its own limits.
Give Vipassana a try…
Nitin
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Nitin
Its not about “”Proving the vedas right”" or “”putting a claim on every invention in the present world”". Its purely mentioning what is there in the vedas already.
If you read the article again, you can see that the calculations are completely DIFFERENT from what modern science says to be the age of universe. Its 155,522 billion years of vedic science v/s 15-20 billion years of modern science!!
So where have I tried to “”put a claim”" here. I have clearly said that the vedic calculations DO NOT match with that of modern science here. So its not some circus where one is trying to “”prove”" vedas in terms of modern science. Its all about trying to unearth the vedic science so that we could understand it in modern terms.
I dont understand why is it a “”waste of time”" to try and investigate into what all things our ancients knew. Its like
saying investigating into the knowledge our ancestors had is a waste of time.
If vedas mention about things that we already know in modern science, isnt it possible that they also contain answers to unanswered questions in modern science? So if investigating into the vedas can throw light on giving directions to modern science, why shouldnt we go for it?
Please note that all major physicists in the world have read the vedas and have related vedic science to modern science. Obviously we cant call their studies a “”waste of time”". Can we?
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Hi Guys!
I strongly believe that our ancestors knew infinitely more than modern science can ever explain for the simple reason that modern science is very young, only a few centuries old and it depends on material/physical probing and evidence. Proving the Vedas right and putting a claim on every invention in the present world is a great waste of time. The purpose of the whole wealth of knowledge is betterment of humanity. If this is not the end, no purpose is served.
I have been a Vipassana meditator for about 5 years. The teachings of the Enlightened One are “”exactly”" the same as that of Bhagwat Gita. For that matter, it is the essence of any religious or spiritual practice. Only the practical aspects were lost which are now available. Goto http://www.dhamma.org read about it, do a 10 day course and find out for yourself. You will understand all the religions in the world better in a practical way that will enrich your life. It will make you present minded and uproot your deep routed conditioning and complexes.
There is no science greater than the science of happiness. Doesn’t matter what “”yug”" you live in, the laws of karma apply. We should live a life consistent with these laws and we shall live in peace.
If you need any help, mail me at nitin.re@gmail.com
Nitin
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Yes Trond
Recently I wrote on the meaning of vedas being called eternal
http://hitxp.wordpress.com/2007/12/24/why-are-not-vedas-of-human-origin/
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Seems the age of the world, vedas, vedanta and universe coincides then? I just read: “Brahma produced the eternal scriptures, Rigved, Yajurved, Samved, Atharvaved and also the Puranas which are like the fifth Ved.” He produced them at the very beginning of the creation of the world which was 155.52 trillion years ago.
Source: http://www.encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/articles/58_age_of.htm
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Ram
Adding personal links to wikipedia is not suggested. Even then I see many readers having added links to my articles in Wikipedia. If somebody else feels its worth it and adds it there I cant say anything about it, but if I add on my own then it becomes a personal propaganda, since I will anyway be biased towards my views. I dont want to misuse a public project to promote my views
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John
When we look at other scientific aspects described in these ancient scriptures, and the huge lineage of modern scientists who have been reading and quoting vedic texts quite often, From Einstein, to oppenheimer to almost all quantum physicists, it doesnt look like a coincidence
As I keep saying, post Christian era if humanity could achieve so much in terms of science and technology in just a few centuries (in fact most of today’s science is in the past 3-4 centuries!), isnt it quite possible that these ppl who lived for millenia in the pre Christian era, could have even bigger achievements in their list!
Infact, one of the biggest mysteries is that our present human brain evolved and has remained the same for the past 1,50,000 years. Isnt it strange if we believe that this same brain was idle for 150000 years and suddenly started thinking science and inventing technology only in the past millenium or so?!
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Is this a coincidence that the evolution of life on this planet began when another day of Bhrama was beginning? If this was not a coincidence, I would find it quite fascinating that texts written thousands of years ago could pin-point this without any known carbon-dating methods. Wow. And thanks for going through the numbers, Gurudev.
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Gurudev,
Excellent Service. Keep Going. You may want to add your findings in the following link under the Religious perspective section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_the_universe
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Thanks Gokul! Nice idea!
tried vedapedia.org but its already booked.. so have booked vedapedia.com for now
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Wish you all the best Keep Going / May we should have something like a VedaPedia.org
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