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May 071('
’Thanks to the blog visitor who invoked enough curiosity in me to crack down the age of the universe according to the vedas.
Here is the result of the research I did over the internet and dug up through some text material I had, to find the accurate meaning of time measurements specified in the vedas.
Introduction
Vedas say that before the creation of the universe Lord Vishnu is sleeping in the ocean of all causes. His bed is a giant serpent with thousands of cobra like hoods. By the way, in the trinity of Creator, Maintainer and Destroyer as mentioned in the vedas, Lord Vishnu is the maintainer. Brahma is the creator and Shiva the destroyer.
While Vishnu is asleep, a lotus sprouts of his navel (note that navel is symbolised as the root of creation!). Inside this lotus, Brahma resides. Brahma represents the universe which we all live in, and it is this Brahma who creates life forms.
Now take a break here. Vishnu is the personification of the eternal multiverse that exists forever without any beginning or end. Brahma is the personification of our temporary physical universe that was created in the big bang.
Brahma is said to have been created from the navel (which is a single point) of Vishnu, described as a lotus blooming out of the navel, much like our big bang universe. Now this universe represented by Brahma is not a permanent universe, it is temporary, Brahma lives for 100 years say the vedas and then dies and then a new universe (Brahma) is born.
So as per vedas our universe lives for 100 years. Later we shall see how long each year of Brahma is.
For now, brahma represents our universe which has birth and death, a big bang and a big cruch, from a navel singularity. Vishnu represents the eternity that lies beyond our universe which has no birth or death and that which is eternal! Many such universes like ours exist in Vishnu.
Vedas say that thousands of brahmas have passed away! In other words, this is not the first time universe has been created.Let us come back to the time measurements now. Brahma lives for hundred years say vedas and we are in the first day of the 51st year of the brahma.
A Year of Brahma
By the way each year of Brahma has 360 days. And we are in the first day of the 51st year of our current brahma. Vedas also say that Lord Hanuman will be the next Brahma. Well, thats something I have to do some research into later, the more things to think about, the more happy and occupied I am
Coming back to a day of the Brahma. Well, there is day and night. Vedas say that during the day Brahma is busy in creation of life and during the night all life he created is absorbed back into him! So we will be there only for this day of Brahma, which is the first day of his 51st year. But dont feel sad, let me promise you, this is a pretty long day.
A day of Brahma
Each day of brahma is called a Kalpa, and this itself is very huge a number. No wonder, ancient Indians had to be perfect in mathematics before going into all these things.
A kalpa is made up of brahma’s one day and one night.
Manvantaras
The day has 14 Manvantaras. Similarly the night has an equal 14 Manvantaras. But then Brahma is resting in the night, so lets get back to the day again. We are in the 7th Manvantara of Brahma’s this day, say the vedas.MahaYuga
Each Manvantara is made up of 71 Mahayuga. We are in the 28th Mahayuga of this Manvantara say the vedas.
A Mahayuga is a collection of 4 Yugas. Maha means giant or huge.
The 4 yugas are Satya Yuga (also called Krita Yuga), Treta Yuga, Dwapara Yuga, Kali Yuga. We are in the Kaliyuga of our current Mahayuga say the vedas.Satya Yuga lasts for 40% of its Mahayuga – Age of divine where humans need no physical means to exist and are in direct contact with the God
Treta Yuga lasts for 30% of its Mahayuga – Age where bad deeds start appearing, still there is lot of truth, infact 3/4 of this age is still goodness
Dwapara Yuga lasts for 20% of its Mahayuga-Dwapara means after the second, where there are almost equal amount of good and bad
Kali Yuga lasts for 10% of its Mahayuga- Kali means Darkness in Sanskrit (not to be confused with Kaali which is godess), no wonder we are in this age
Now finally we have reached to a timescale which we can relate to our own years.
1 Kaliyuga = 432000 solar years!A Kaliyuga has the length of one Yuga. So One Mahayuga has 10 Yugas of which four are in Satya Yuga, 3 in Treta Yuga, 2 in Dwapara and 1 in Kali Yuga.
So a Mahayuga = 10 times the Kaliyuga i.e 4,320,000 solar years
Calculations
Let us do some reverse calculations now to find out the age of the universe as per the vedas.
1 Mahayuga = 4,320,000 years
1 Manvantara = 71 Mahayugas
1 day of Brahma = 14 Manvantaras = 994 Mahayugas
Now a small addition here, Vedas also say that before and after each Manvantara there is a gap equivalent to 4 Yugas (Not MahaYugas).
So now, 1 day of Brahma = 14 Manvantaras + (15 x 4 Yugas)
= 994 Mahayugas + 60 Yugas
= 994 Mahayugas + 6 MahaYugas = 1000
So 1 day of Brahma = 1000 MahaYugas = 4,320,000,000 years
1 night is again 1000 MahaYugas = = 4,320,000,000 years1 Complete day = day + night = 8,640,000,000 years = 8.64 billion years
Note that we are in the 7th Manvantara of this day. So let us calculate how many years have passed since today started for Brahma.
Step 1: For 6 Manvantaras we have 71x 6 = 426 Mahayugas
Step 2: Then we have the gaps between each Manvantara which is 7 x 4 Yugas = 2.8 MahaYugas
Step 3: Then we have the current Mahayuga in our Manvantara which is 28th, we are in the last 1/10 of it (Remember Kaliyuga is the last of 4 yugas and spans 1/10 of a Mahayuga). So it is 27.9 Mahayugas.So all put together we have 426+2.8+27.9 = 456.7 Mahayugas have been already spent in current day of Brahma. Approximately 543 more to go before we all are absorbed back into the Brahma
Okay so 456.7 in terms of years is 456.7 x 4,320,000 = 1,972,944,456 which is about 2 billion years. Somewhat close to what evolution proposes for life on earth.
Age of the Universe
Now lets find out the age of our universe as per the vedas. Let us consider the age of the Brahma to be the age of the universe. This is one number which no modern theory can even come anywhere near to it.
As we saw earlier a day of Brahma has 2000 MahaYugas (day+night).
There are 360 days in a year for Brahma and we are in the first day of 51st year.
So far 360 x 50= 18000 days have passed for Brahma
This is equivalent to 18000 x 2000 x 4320000 Human Years
In other words 155,520,000,000,000 Human Years
Add the current day of Brahma which is 1,972,944,456 Humans YearsSo as per the vedas, the current age of the universe is 155,521,972,944,456 Years which is about 155,522 billion years !!! Modern day science has been able to predict age of our universe to be only about 15-20 billion years! Moreover Since we are in the first day of 51st year of Brahma, almost equal amout of time has to pass before this universe ends!!
So either modern science still has a long way to go in estimating the age of our universe
OR
the universe mentioned in vedas is the mother of all universes (a multiverse probably) including our own universe !!!More interesting:
Vedas also say that the average human life span in each yuga is as follows:
Kali Yuga = 100 Years
Dwapara Yuga = 1,000 Years
Treta Yuga = 10,000 Years
Satya Yuga = 1,00,000 Years !
I observed another interesting fact here. Vedas are also implying by this that humans are not limited to planet earth nor to this universe alone. We belong to other Yugas as well where we live a longer life!! More than the length of the life, a greater depth as well
Aliens, please come and meet me, wanna discuss a lot, people on earth are busy making money
Brahma, please put me in some parallel universe.
By the way, universe means one verse, the one verse which created this universe “OM”The Hindu religion is the only one of the world’s great faiths dedicated to the idea that the Cosmos itself undergoes an immense, indeed an infinite, number of deaths and rebirths. It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology. Its cycles run from our ordinary day and night to a day and night of Brahma, 8.64 billion years long. Longer than the age of the Earth or the Sun and about half the time since the Big Bang. And there are much longer time scales still. - Carl Sagan, Famous Astrophysicist
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140 Responses to “What Vedas say about the age of the Universe?”
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Srinivas Kavuri says:
Because Vedic astronomy names planets which includes sun, it was considered wrong. The conclusion was that vedic astronomy considered earth as centre of solar system and not sun. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Anybody with knowledge on astrology knows that the calculations on positions predict real positions. The reason is that the calculations consider sun as centre of solar system (“”Heliocentric”") and calculate the coordinates of other planets with earth as origin. This is nothing but “”translation of coordinates”" that we studied in high school coordinate geometry. The motion of planets appears spiral and not elliptical when the coordinates are translated to earth (this spiral motion of planets was apparently clearly explained in some hymns but I do not know which ones). This sounds complex but achieved by astrological calculations, which are, relatively simple. The simplest test is to calculate the planetary coordinates on a eclipse day and voila! the sun and moon positions will be found in line! This would not have been possible if the astrology wrongly assumed earth as centre.
This goes to prove that indian astrology which existed long before modern astronomy actually is correct to a large extent. -
Yes Srinivas
We have not even studied the tip of the iceberg of the ancient Indian knowledge, thanks to the secular governments and society which calls itself scientific without knowing what real science is and without knowing where modern science is standing today..
Yes, great floods seem more near to the description of pralaya!
Yes, textbooks of history and science need to be changed by giving due credit to the original inventors/discoverers, else it will be the greatest disservice done to these ancient scientists, not only by Indians, but by all humans..Interesting info about astrology, can you please elaborate on this heliocentric part of it?
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Gurudev,
What I was searching for, I found at one place very neatly.
Few thoughts:
1.Vedas give a lot of info in a figurative way. The “”possible”" interpretations of a particular ruk (hymn) can properly be done by somebody with Sanskrit and other subject (say Astrophysics, geology, etc) domain knowledge. It is perhaps easier to find an astrophysicst than a scholar to interpret Vedas. I am donor to a Sanskrit school and I know. Of course this interpretation is true with a several such sources including Bible. The difference is, billions are spent on research by western countries. Just a mute point.
2. Astrophysics is not the only treasure of Vedas. As you pointed out there are several. From the cyclical event point of view, Tectonic plate movement is another subject which is now accepted as cyclical. Would be interesting to know if there are any references in Vedas about this. The tectonic plate movements could create a deluge during the cycles and life on earth could practically end. This is much closer to the figurative description of “”Pralayam”" than the big crunch?
3. I have some knowledge about Astrology and make astrological charts. It is important to know that the calculations are indeed heliocentric and not geocentric! It is only that the positions of the planets are referenced with earth as origin. Now which astrophysics book credits indian astronomers? We only read about aristotle, aristarchus, ptolemy…. -
vinod says:
Dear Gurudev,
Very informative work..I admire your dedication.
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Thanks Vanita!
End is just another beginning, just like the way,
Success is nothing but failure turned inside out
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Vanita says:
Awsome Job. I always thought that Universer, mother earth is close to end. Thank God. Not in my life time…..
ha.ha.ha
Good Job.
Keep it up and keep us posted.
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Parveen says:
Men you are a champion
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hey guys if you can go thru following links you will real good material. Note its not mine et all, but a collection of good meterial available on net.
http://encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/
(Read All articles)
You can also see my Community on Vedas
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ursri says:
Thanks Gurudev for starting the thread and Anish for initiating the thought.
Just an extension to OOP in Universe namespace.
Yes, each object is just instance of Brahma, if that object-(say man) starts thinking instance itself is Brahma it wastes its life time. If that object with conscious effort, starts to recognize that it is just an instance of class Brahma and all those transactions during its life time which got stored permanantly – the action (Karma) has to bear the fruit in current or future initiations-rebirths. Those karmas(positive &/or negetive) are the parameters of future instance constructors.
If at the end of an instance there is no data exists to record back to database/hard disk, that object ceases to take rebirths. The main source of object is returned back to initiator/invoking method-memory is released- the prana vayu driving force of object becomes one with Universal Matter. -
Dear Anish
To my understanding so for with the help of a scientific explanation of space, time and its expression,
Paramatma is Super Class
Vishnu is space is derived from Parmatma but again it is abstract class (Avyaktha – cannot be expressed)
Shiva is time is also a derived class from Paramatma again it is avyaktha- cannot be expressed
Brahma is a container class with exposes properties of space and time and can be created as object.Other wise all the object instances of derived class Brahma are from super class Vishnu with maitenance methods anc Brahma as constructor and Shiva as destructor.
So “”Aham Brahmasmi “” holds good to any object in this Universe. -
Kasi
Yes, what you said is true.
But I have kept it as it is in the last para, because its a quote by Carl Sagan, so I thought its not appropriate for me to ‘edit’ his actual quote
Ursri
Thank you very much for that information and those informative links!Anish
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Anish-Babu Pillai says:
Hi People,
just a little observation here. The word ‘Veda’ means ‘To Know’. In the Kali Yuga, there is an actual being known as Kali – whose origins and antics are already documented in The Scripture. This being shall, by means that are beyond the understanding of most people, lead Manushya (The Being that Uses the Mind) to ignorance and superstition. I might point out here that the words ‘Faith’ and ‘Belief’ are very contrary to the word ‘Knowledge’. Just like a new Lord Brahma, there will be another Kali for the next Kali Yuga.
The Veda does NOT propose any assumptions. It charts the path to knowledge for the Seeker of Knowledge – known as a Jignasu.
And The Supreme Being who sleeps and awakens for creation and dissolution cycles makes the First Manifestation as SadaaShivam. Lord Vishnu in his VishwaRoopa, and Lord Brahma in the form of the Preserver of the Veda, respectively arise from either side of The SadaaShivam.
And only then, from the Navel of Lord Vishnu, does Lord Brahma appear in a Lotus in his form as creator. While this process goes on on one side, The SadaaShivam becomes The ArdhaNareeshwaran, and then proceeds to become Lord Shiva, The Destroyer.A bit of clarification on the titles these entities have. The Trilogy, as it is known is created for purposes of governance.
The Being is Singular and All Encompassing – or Advaitham.
Lord Brahma – is both the creator of the worlds, and the preserver of celestial knowledge. He hands over the Veda in the form of Manusmrithi to The Manu in each Manvanthara. Hence he is titled The Creator.
Lord Vishnu – is in charge of protecting Righteousness (the words ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are inadequate, besides being misleading), and hence he is The Protector (of Righeousness)
Lord Shiva – the reclusive hermit whose actions are beyond the comprehension of most Human Beings, and even the Celestial Beings, vents his ‘anger’ on Unrighteousness, and destroys unrighteousness as required. Hence he titled The Destroyer (of Unrighteousness).
While many will view the creation of several Entities for specific purposes as being redundant, their existence merely makes it easy for Human Beings and other Beings to utilize these entities for the betterment of all.
If there are any Object Oriented programmers or Mathematicians amongst you readers, then each of these entities, say Lord Muruga, or Lord Indra, or Lord Surya, is like a general class that can be used as an object once the parameters and additional functions are (read Human Intent) are included. The Being is the Super-Class.
And each being, be it human, or otherwise, is an instance, albeit a highly customized one, of this Super-Class.Let me cheer to the Divinity to all of us – Nama: The: – pronounced Namahsthey – and meaning – I bow to Thee – both the pronouns referring to the Super-Class from which we are designed.
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About Start of Kaliyuga,
It was indologist/britishers who allegedly made Kaliyuga/ Aryan Invasion starts on 1200 BC. It is very disturbing that Veda themselves are the true chornology with accurate astronomical celectial position information. Britishers/ those who rewrote indian history, sidelined or abused these vedas a “”myths”".
Coming back to Kaliyuga start date: As Mr. Siddharth mentions about positioning of celestial bodies marks the offset of one yuga and onset of subsequent yuga. According to many sources, the exact positioning happend in year 3012 BC. We can also observe the Harappa civilization existed during this time frame only. Ref: Asain Prophecy – First Para on Hindu Prophecy in specific
More info Duration of Time as a Function of Consciousness & The Four CyclesComing to scientific evidence of flying machines and sophisticated warfares can be found in Mahabharata. Context : Krishna’s war with Salwa in short . A detailed infomation about Vimana’s- Flying machines description in Vedas
Wish if I had more time to update actual chronology as mentioned in the book “”The Origin of Human – Children of Immortal bliss by Mr. Lakshmikantam. “” . The book deal with thorough study of human race with concurrent dynasties/civilization with that of Bharatha Varsha . The Greater Bharata. Which also explains that Arabean sea did not exists either and our Bharat’s territory was much bigger than the current landscape.
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Hey Gurudev,
I am back again,
Well, I didn’t read the replies to the original. But, I needed a small correction to your initial post (if that’s possible).
I am concerned about the word “”Hinduism”" in the last para of the post.
Hinduism is not a religion. It is a set of rules. It was coined just few countable years back. Since, we people lived in and around the River Sindhu, we were referred to as Hindus. Ok, a more appropriate word there would be “”Sanatana Dharma”". Please give a look into it.
In general discussion, using Hinduism in such a context wuld be fine. But, when it comes to in-depth discussions like this in your post, I would encourage the usage of “”Sanatan Dharma”". Let the newcomers too get interested in this and let them learn by themselves what they are!
Just a thought. Don’t mind.
Thanks,
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Akshay
Evidence requires research. unfortunately that is the sad state today.
See the amount of research going on at the egyptian pyramids for instance.
Where is such research going on in India today? Except for thinkers putting across their thoughts and studying texts/history.The research I am talking about is archaeological excavations. To go back in history by thousands of years one needs to go down and excavate historical/ archaelogical sites. ASI is just a nonsense.
Forget excavations, just see the way these people are maintaing existing cultural sites.. I was shocked to see the plight of some ancient temples at places near Bangalore that come under ASI.. broken staues lying around.. local kids playing on it.. this is how we preserve things..
and where is research/excavation? Ramsetu is not even under the jurisdiction of ASI, and ASI tells the supreme court that there is no historical proof of Ramsetu construction?! How can it say this without doing any research on the site?
ASI has not gone beyond 5 meters deep at the ayodhya site, while archaelogical science requires here that an excavation be done at atleast 60 meters deep!! Given this situation where will you get the proofs from?
About the purpose of creation as you asked.. creation of universes by the eternal multiverse is considered equivalent to our breathing.. we exist because we breath.. multiverse exists because universes are created and destroyed within it..
multiverse itself is timeless, formless, called as Neti Neti meaning not this, not this.. in other words you cant confine the definition of this formless multiverse..We ask what is achieve by birth death etc because we consider ourselves to be separate from the rest of the universe. The truth is that we are very much part of this universe, and the goal is this realization. Which is why vedas say that for a person who has realized that he is a part of the universal soul, there is no need to perform his last rites after his death!!
Asking why do we exist is like our body cells asking why they live and die.. well they live and die and in the process ensure that the higher human body continues to live.. The question of a human body’s cell is answered when it realizes that it is not the cell itself, but actually a part of the higher human body
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Interesting thoughts Siddharth! Thanks for that.
But the so called “”fancy of scholars”" about the daiva years is actually from the vedic sources itself and not a later addition!!
Also, what is to be noted is that even by the most recent accounts Indus valley civilization dates to centuries before 700BC, so how can Kaliyuga start in 700 BC, while the Mahabharatha war ended much before that?
Yudhishtira didnt go to Himalayas with ALL his wise men! Only Pandavas, Draupadi and a dog (Dharma) went to the himalayas!
Also, if Sun had a companion star then wouldnt the planetary motions be unexplainable without considering that star’s gravity in the equation? For instance Neptune was first discovered in the equations, when astronomers saw that the path of the Uranus could not be explained by known planets and Sun alone!!
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Siddharth says:
An alternative view of the yuga cycle and timescale was taught by the 19th/20th-century Indian yogi Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri, guru of Paramahansa Yogananda.
In his book, The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar explains that the descending phase of Satya Yuga lasts 4800 years, Treta Yuga 3600 years, Dwapara Yuga 2400 years, and Kali Yuga 1200 years. The ascending phase of Kali Yuga then begins, also lasting 1200 years; and so on. The ascending phase of Kali Yuga began in September of 499 AD. Since September 1699, we have been in the ascending phase of Dwapara Yuga, according to Sri Yukteswar.
In The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar writes that the traditional or long count view is based on a misunderstanding. He says that at the end of the last descending Dvapara Yuga (about 700 BC), “”Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson [and]…together with all of his wise men…retired to the Himalaya Mountains…Thus there was none in the court…who could understand the principle of correctly accounting the ages of the several Yugas.”"
According to Sri Yukteswar, nobody wanted to announce the bad news of the beginning of the ascending Kali Yuga, so they just kept adding years to the Kali date (at that time 2400 Kali). As the Kali began to ascend again, scholars of the time recognized that there was a mistake in the date (then being called 3600+ Kali, although their texts said Kali had only 1200 years). “”By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva (or deva) years (“”years of the gods”"), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth. Hence according to these men 1200 years of Kali Yuga must be equal to 432,000 years of our earth.”"
Sri Yukteswar explains that just as the cycle of day and night is caused by a celestial motion (the earth spinning on its axis in relation to the sun), and just as the cycle of the seasons are caused by a celestial motion (the earth with tilted axis orbiting the sun) so too is the yuga cycle (seen as the precession of the equinox), caused by a celestial motion. He explains this celestial motion is the movement of the whole solar system around another star. As our sun moves through this orbit it takes the solar system (and earth) closer to and then further from a point in space known as the “”grand centre”" also called ‘Vishnunabhi’, which is the seat of the creative power, ‘Brahma’, [which]…regulates…the mental virtue of the internal world.”" He implies that it is the proximity of the earth and sun to this grand centre that determines which season of man or yuga it is.
While astronomers recognize that most stars orbit one or more companion stars, as of this date, very few astronomers believe our sun has a companion star or that the precession of the equinox could be the observable of such a motion.
source: wiki article on yuga, link posted earlier along with another link to sri yukteshwara-related portal explaining this theory through a timeline.
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Akshay says:
Gurudev,
Have scientists, archaeologists ever been able to find any evidence of anything like war, or flying machines, or Type II worlds, as described in the Vedas? Why is it that there is no conclusive tangible evidence to support these descriptions?
From all that you have read of the Vedas, can you tell me whether the Vedas ever describe what exactly is the point of existence? What is achieved by these cycles of the multiverse during which almost everybody dies, is reborn, dies, etc etc..
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Einstein once said
The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible The four yugas are distributed in a ratio of 4:3:2:1
Well, time is the ONLY yardstick to measure the age of the universe!
Yes, you are right, everything is relative, which is why we use units of measurement, which is nothing but relative measurement.
Even time is relative, which is why for instance we use the unit “”year”", which is defined as the time taken (currently) for one revolution of earth around the sun.Modern science speculates that the age of the universe might be, say about 15 billion years old. This only means that if we use our current “”year”" as a unit, then in terms of this time length, universe was born about 15 billion units ago!
The very fact that we are measuring “”age”" means we have to use “”time”". The only issue would have been if time flowed earlier with different speeds, or if the speed of light/value of other physical constants had been different in the early universe! But that is something which is not yet proved/disproved conclusively. So we have more time
About people living continuously for thousands of years.. Well, suppose there are two butterflies who are scientists , butterflies live for about 5 days… which they call as a “”butterfly year”".. and when one of them discovers about how long humans live in terms of their “”butterfly years”", the other will be heard saying “”How on earth can these humans live for thousands of years!!! Its simply unimaginable living so long”"
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painstakingly collected facts! well done….I appreciate you for your efforts.
But I still have the conviction that time cannot be used as a yardstick to measure the age of universe. Everthing is relative. In all the four yugas the time scale seems to be different. I could derive a conclusion that the time was calculated with respect to our era -the kali yuga. Is it not?
You cannot think of people living continuously for thousands of years. I don’t even want to put my intellect into it, as I know all these things are beyond our intellect. -
sainath says:
hi gurudev,
why is it that vedas,ramayana,mahabarata only contains indian or asian region description only…were there no people/species in the western areas at that time ???
also, as per the desc. and our thinking we try to map them with aliens who visited earth fought wars …used mass destructive weapons..used hight tech vheichles or vimanas…etc…but no evidences of these things found till date…???….i mean to say whether they had some kind of technology….or it was indeed big birds or horses/elephants chariots…etc..???…i am unable to think how the western side evolved about…as they are entirely different in looks, nature, thinking, socials, language etc….
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Sunetra
Gururaj has wonderfully put across about GOD
About good and bad etc, we should first stop thinking about these things as being imposed ones. Thinking of not wanting to do bad just because God will punish us, or wanting to do good things just because we will get Punya, I think is nonsense. Because in such a case, our good deeds are not coming out of us being good, but are coming only out of fear!!
Every person who has atleast a bit of sense knows within himself/herself as to whether what he/she is doing is correct. As long as one can answer oneself, I dont think we need an external judge.
As per me, Hurting/harming others UNNECESSARILY is bad.
What is necessary/unnecessary depends on a person’s feelings, emotions, wisdom, etc. Whats more important is that you being CONVINCED that you are not doing bad. We can cheat others, but not ourselves Which is why vedas say “”Aham Brahmasmi”" which means “”I am the God”", or the “”God is within me”" or “”I am the universe”". Universe is just a mere external reflection of our internal thoughts! The Mahabharatha war on that note is fought inside our minds!
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hi can anybody give me a link to Dnyaneshwari in marathi, if it is available on net?? I couldn’t find…
Thanks
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I would recommend that this article be read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga
for more on sri yukteshwara:
http://dwaparayuga.com/2007/08/dwapara-yuga-timeline-with-brief-review.htmlPlease look out for more on this theory and let me know.
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God defines the boundary of wild sactury. We are like wild animals and free to move in his set boundary. We can create our own destiny by our action. This bhoogola/bhuloka is karma bhoomi. Everyone has to work/act – decide their destiny.
If one gets realization about where one is heading to and find difficulties, one can call God/pray Him for direction/help. -
Gururaj says:
sunetra,
it is a common misconception that we are mere mere puppets and that everything is predetermined and done by god. Krishna clearly says in Mahabaratha that he did not want the war. so who wanted it? Every action and its consequence is wanted by us and and us alone and GOD just enables it.
You can view GOD as current and us as the electrical appliances.
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sunetra says:
Gurudev- In that case who is this GOD that we talk about all the time? Any thoughts?
Why should we care about right and wrong, heaven and hell, life and death…If our destiny is predetermined, what role do we play besides being a puppet of some one called GOD?
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GOD going through trouble?
Not really.
Brahma is not some person. Its the personification of the universe and the process of creation.
Vishnu is the personification of the eternal multiverse that lies beyond our local universe i.e Brahma. -
What on earth does GOD go thru this trouble for?
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anonymous
our current universe is represented by brahma’s entire life span, i.e his 100 years.
His one day refers only to the duration of life forms.1 kaliyuga is defined as 1/10 of a maha yuga, and a mahayuga corresponds to 4,320,000 solar years.
These original time measurements could be found in Vishnu Purana, Surya Siddantha etc. I think its also mentioned in Mahabharatha
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anonymous says:
also can you pls explain how you have reached to
1 Kaliyuga = 432000 solar years! -
gurudev,
i am a bit confused here….
as you have stated as per vedas our universe lives for 100 years..
then you have stated as per vedas
currently we are in 1st day of 51st year of brahma and as Vedas say that during the day Brahma is busy in creation of life and during the night all life he created is absorbed back into him…..
this means our universe is only for that 1 day or only leaving beings ???looks contradictory or i am getting confused with terms
can you pls explain….
Thanks
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Kashyap G says:
Excellent work GD!!
very impressive!Wish vedas are added into our education system, if not all but what has remained.. Its amazing to see so many people interested in it at the time when its significance and importance is not being realized!
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I am not sure how correct or incorrect the vedas are. But given that people from the vedic age were able to predict the age of universe with such a huge number is simply amazing. For the sake of consensus, let us not assume that vedas are not human made etc.. but rather a civilzation like others that existed say about 3-5 thousand years ago. Even then people talking of a number that big (millions) is amazing while other civilization thought that universe or life (not sure which one) was created only few thousand years back.. For that reason alone I think vedas need preserved or researched b4 rubbishing them.
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uni_verse says:
Interesting observations. May be the following would help:
The letters GOD:
G = Generator – Brahma
O = Operator – Vishnu
D = Destroyer – ShivaAnd interestingly it is the Operator or the Sustainer who gave birth to the Lord responsible for creation
i.e. Vishnu gives birth to Brahma. Lord Vishnu has Mahamaya (Lakshmi) seated next to him. So this proves that as per our Vedic religion Energy (Lakshmi), and Consciousness (Vishnu – who is just there/Sleeping like) are eternal. It is Consciousness that gives birth to creation. (Well have you ever seen a deadman getting a degree certificate from any university )The following creation hymn may interest you: http://www.madhava.net/Vedanta/creation_hymn.htm
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Our Brahma is 50 yrs young or 50 yrs old. Surprisingly our Sun’s age is also half of his life span. Trimurthy’s – Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva are representation of Space, Creation-Intellectual Expression of Space & Time OR Growth , Time respectively.
All three are designated by ParaBramha- Ultimate/Supreme(parama) Source. Some says he is MahaVishnu some other MahaDeva. The source which makes universe so dynamic is is yet again creation of MahaVishnu- Maya some says Sri Durga. According to shiviites it is Mahadevi/Sri Durga wife of Shiva. -
Brahma is not the same always. Every 100 years of Brahma its a new universe, meaning a new Brahma! Only Vishnu represents the eternal multiverse beyond our universe.
Yes after 100 years of current brahma (meaning current universe), the current Brahma will die, and then a new Brahma (a new universe) will be born out of Vishnu!
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a says:
this appears like a repetative process??? what next after 100 yrs of a universe ???? anything mentioned in vedas????
if this the thing brahma, vishnu and shiva keep on doing…they must be bored by now -
Rohit says:
Hi GD,
I wnat to know that after how many human years this kaliyuga will end. -
Indiana says:
Mr. Gurudev,
Your article is very impressive, and it only makes me realize that modern science and technology has a lot to do before we can get to the level of the vedas. It’s a pity that all the science and technology that existed during the past yugas has disappeared. We know that there was a vimana used by ravana to fly to lanka, and yet the modern world believes the wright brothers are the inventors! I would not even want to think of stuff like the weapons used in the mahabharata such as the bhramastra! Sadly we have lost our knowledge, our connection with dharma and with our creator; instead we persue material wealth and confort, no wonder we are in the kali yuga!
Once again, great work and thanks for making me realize what the yugas were…. -
Veronica
Yes Brahma will go back to the navel of Vishnu which means even you will go back as a part of that brahma.. not that you will be destroyed.. soul is indestrutible say the vedas.. it was never born in the first place, so how can it die? ask the vedas.. -
Veronica
Thanks for your comments.. you can read more at http://hitxp.wordpress.com/hinduism/ and at http://hitxp.wordpress.com/hitxp-table-of-contents/Yes you are absolutely right about Sanskrit and vedas..
About the kali age, well, its a cycle , so its not a road from good to bad.. instead its alternating between good, bad, good, bad…. so please dont feel depressed
There is a saying in the vedic texts.. Every bright day is followed by a dark night, and after every dark night, the bright day returns. -
Veronica says:
I have a question. when Brahma dies will he go back into the navel of lord Vishnu? I don’t want to spend my whole life working off karma just to end up dying.
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Hi I found your article of the age of the universe and the age of Brahma just wonderfully simple. Ist it has helped me a lot I understand that we are in Kali age year 5108 10 th day of Simham month. To tell the truth I am a bit depressed because I was hoping that mankind was moving towards an enlightened time.
I am 54 years negro/ Indian mixed woman and would very much like to learn Sanskrit for its maybe the only real ancient language left which is clank based. There may have been a time when the Vedic teaching universal was or all teaching had the same roots and maybe the tower of Babel that is mentioned in the bible when the languages all changes had something to do with the changes that took place. In any case the Vedic teaching is the only pure teaching that has remained up to this day. I am grateful for the internet because I am learning more each day. Instead of bickering about an article we should be trying to grasp the principle that all is one and one is all. I am looking forward to more articles from you. -
Thanks for that Rakesh.. please spread the link and related info with your friends, so that all Indian youth are aware of what India really is and what it can become
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Rakesh says:
U r right Guru…
I just discovered ur website a few days ago n almost gone thru all ur postings…some of it I told my fellow work mates…they were suprised !!
Thanks for good work
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