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Nuclear Wars in Ancient India – Literary Evidence

I recently watched a History Channel Documentary Video which talked about Ancient Nuclear Wars in the Indian Subcontinent – based on the literary evidences in ancient vedic texts and epics like Mahabharatha and the modern findings of archaeological excavations at sites like Mohen Jo Daro.

When Robert Oppenheimer (the Father of the Modern Atomic Bomb) witnessed the detonation of the First Atom Bomb Test at New Mexico July 16, 1945, the following lines from Bhagavadgita flashed through his mind

Now, I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds

After the Manhattan Test, during a visit to a school – when a student asked Oppenheimer about how he felt having witnessed the explosion of the first nuclear bomb on earth, Oppenheimer is said to have replied something on the lines of

First Yes, in recent history though

So were there nuclear weapons and atomic warfare in the ancient history of mankind? Were our ancestors so intelligent that they developed nuclear weapons?

There have been numerous references across the web about passages in Mahabharatha, Ramayana, Vedas etc mentioning weapons of mass destruction (WMDs). But I wanted to cross check the references myself with the authentic original texts. And when I did so, what I found in the original texts was amazing information even when compared to the usual copy-paste mentions found in different websites and forums across the Internet.

Ancient Nuclear Wars

But Before That …

An Opinion on Ancient Intelligence

Many people question “How on earth could people who lived thousands of  years ago have known such an advanced science”.

Does “Ancient” mean “dumb”? What is Advanced Science? Almost all of the major scientific and technological advances of modern society were invented / discovered / created in the last two to five centuries. If in just such a short span of time, we modern humans could create such a level of advanced technology – one can only imagine about the advanced technology a human civilization which spanned for thousands of years in continuum would have created.

Modern Humans (The Intelligent Brain bearing Homo Sapiens) have been on this planet for the past 200,000 years. To say that this intelligent species only discovered science and technology in the past 500 years or so is like saying, babies learn to walk and talk at the age of 80s or 90s.

The vedic civilization spanned from around 10500 BCE (the event mentioning Abhijit (Vega Star) becoming the Pole Star) to around 3000 BCE (Most recent possible dating of Mahabharatha based on astronomical and geological data). Now it is left only to once’s imagination as to how much scientifically and technologically a civilization that spanned across these many millenniums could have achieved! (See a sample Astronomic Dating of Vedic Age)

Why hasn’t all that ancient science and technology been documented then?

Well, we know that the ancient Egyptians built the Pyramids of Egypt. But where is the ancient Egyptian documentation describing the technology they used to build those pyramids? How those massive blocks were lifted and placed so accurately? Does the absence of any such documentation mean the ancient Egyptians did not build it?

OK fine. We at least have the pyramids in place. And since we modern humans did not build these pyramids, and based on the carbon dating and other evidences we can certainly say that the ancient Egyptians build it, even though we are left with no ancient documentation about how they built it.

Cool, so here are the evidences of an Ancient Nuclear War.

Literary Evidences of an Ancient Atomic War

Mahabharatha – Mausala Parva (Book 16)

Mahabharatha – The Longest Epic in the world with around 100,000 verses – is the history of the ancient world centered around ancient India at the end of the Dwapara Yuga – dating back to anywhere around 3500 BCE to 6000 BCE – based on the astronomical dating proofs and the drying up of the mighty vedic river Saraswati which is said to have taken place at the End of the Mahabharatha period.

This large historic documentation has 18 books of which Book 16 – The Mausala Parva is the one which contains numerous references to the nuclear weapons and its after math effects including radiation.

The Book 16 starts with the following lines, and I really wonder how on earth could people have ignored these lines for so long!

36 Years after the great Mahabharata war – strong and dry winds carrying gravels (rock fragments) still blew from every side. The horizon was always covered with some kind of fog in all directions. Blazing pieces of coal fell from sky to earth. The disc of the Sun was always covered with dust.

Now the reason for the occurrences of such drastic changes in nature could be only one of the three mentioned below

  • An asteroid / comet impact
  • A massive volcano
  • The aftermath of a massive nuclear war

Volcanoes are ruled out in this part of the world. And we have no literary evidences of any asteroid or comet impact during that period. However what we have is the literary evidence of a massive war that took place during that period of time – and the adverse effects on nature are described in the texts to be a result of the war itself.

The war itself was so devastating that even though the Pandavas won the war technically, practically everything was destroyed in the war. The entire armies of both sides of the warring factions were wiped out in the war. Duryodhana, the Chief Kaurva – after having lost the war,  on his death bed says

Pandavas may have won the war, but what has been Yudhishtira (the Chief Pandava) left with to rule upon?

Ask any modern day military expert, and he will tell you – there are no real winners in a nuclear war.

Given that

  • Millions of soldiers died in the Mahabharatha war which lasted for just 18 days
  • In depth description in the texts about the nature of the powerful weapons used in the war
  • The detailed description of the adverse impact the war had on nature which was so obvious even 36 years after the war

Hence it becomes quite obvious that Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMDs) were used in the Mahabharatha war.

Mahabharatha – The Destruction of Yadavas

Not only during the Mahabharatha war, but a couple of decades after the Mahabharatha war – when the Yadavas (Vrishnis and Andhakas) fought amongst themselves and destroyed each other – even then it looks like nuclear bombs were used.

The Mausala Parva describes the impact of this battle as follows

Asses were born of kine, and elephants of mules. Cats were born of bitches, and mouse of the mongoose

This is an obvious reference to the widespread genetic mutations that take place in the off-springs of animals in the presence of strong nuclear radiation. This again supports the theory that the war saw the use of nuclear weapons.

Another interesting piece of information in the Mausala Parva is when it says

These weapons, having achieved success, have gone away to the place they came from. They will, again, come into thy hands when the Time for their coming approaches.

This is in relation to a very old project I have been working on, during available free time – Alien Twist to God – expected to be published hopefully in the near future. There are multiple references to Extra Terrestrials like this in many ancient vedic texts.

Mahabharatha – Vana Parva (Book 3)

Here (Chapter 22) Krishna describes the war he fought earlier with the Salwa King who had attacked Krishna’s city Dwaraka. It is said that the Salwa King had a aircraft (Vimana) called Saubha Vimana which the king used for both travel and aerial warfare.

Krishna says that

The sound of this Salwa’s spacecraft was inaudible and this flying car made up of costly metals used to vanish creating illusion!

Clearly an aerial vehicle being “inaudible” shows the level of technology it had, and on top of that it used to disappear quite often. The term used for such aerial vehicles in modern military terminology is Stealth Fighters

Krishna further describes the aircraft as

It was capable of going anywhere at will, bewildering my eyes, reappeared at Pragjyotisha (a nearby city). Then it  suddenly drowned me with a mighty shower of rocks

Angered by the destruction of his city Dwaraka by Salwa’s aircraft, Krishna then decides to destroy it completely and brings out his favorite weapon which he describes as

the weapon of fire, blazing and of celestial origin, of irresistible force, and incapable of being baffled, bursting with energy, capable of penetrating into anything and everything

Celestial origin most probably refers to the principle of nuclear fusion which powers the stars. So most probably it was a thermonuclear device. The impact of the launch of this weapon was that

rising into the sky, it seemed like a second sun of exceeding effulgence – it not only killed Salwa and destroyed his aircraft but it was launched further and destroyed the entire city of Saubha (Salwa’s Capital City) which was located at a place as high as the top of a mountain

Krishna also says that the weapon used was also used earlier in history when the

Gods reduced to ashes the Yakshas, Rakshasas and Danavas

To be Continued. Watch out this page for the next part of this article …

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132 COMMENTS

  1. It is my belief that ancient rishis were “inner” scientists who in deep meditation found the truth which today’s “outer” scientists are rediscovering by piercing the atom. Quantum physicists are today looking into Consciousness, destiny, free will etc. These are exciting times.
    Science will prove that our ancient rishis were right. In Holy Science, Sri Yukteshwar talks about Sun having a twin. Many stars in the galaxy are known to have twins but our Sun has not been discovered to have one. Not yet in any case!

    • Rishis reside in rishi loka and their life time is very high. The descend from their lokas in previous yugas. Boviously they are very intelligent.

    • you have ro think once About MOB ..MOTHER OF ALL BOMBS ..WHERE IT IS DEVOLPING WITHOUT RADIATION EFFECT…Actually .The Divine Missiles which were Used are not all Atomic bombs they must be with the technology of No radiation missiles but …Explosion means Heat will come defiantly so The can burnt the body’s into ashes ..And you can see in Mahabharata war …When after every day war even Soldiers,Kings,Minster ..Of different kingdoms from different country came here to fight So Those bodies were cremated With Bharata sampradaya and at last ..Day ..Dharmaraja remberd some kings name and given Tarpana also…..If you want nuclear evidence You can Check Mohenjo-Daro Skeletons

  2. “Asses were born of kine, and elephants of mules. Cats were born of bitches, and mouse of the mongoose…
    This is an obvious reference to the widespread genetic mutations that take place in the off-springs of animals in the presence of strong nuclear radiation.”
    Again, genetic mutation does not change the species!
    You can have a genetically mutated elephant giving rise to a deformed elephant but you can’t have an elephant giving birth to a mule and so on.

  3. There are a lot of presumptions in this article.
    For example, it says “Millions of soldiers died in the Mahabharatha war which lasted for just 18 days”.
    Where is the proof that millions died?
    Since radioactive metals take thousands of years to disintegrate (long half lives), one wonders if anyone thought of digging the area in and around Kurushetra to see if there is any evidence of radioactivity.

  4. Great work. The search for truth and true history of India must go on. I appreciate the effort–Chiranjeevi Rao, Guntur, Andhra Pradesh, India.

    • I would suggest you to read “Technology of the Gods” you can get a free ebook, It has so many things regarding technology and science prevalent in Ancient India….”Chariots of the gods” is good but boring…

  5. At the risk of sounding like a party pooper, I’d like to point out a few things.

    But first, my position: I am proud to be Indian and of Indian descent, and in keeping with that sentiment, I believe in truth and careful examination of facts to arrive at that truth. This has been a common philosophical undercurrent in most philosophical traditions in our culture.

    Thus, in order to uphold that ideal first discussed and followed by our philosophers, I propose that we must not jump to conclusions based on literary evidence without supporting physical evidence and corroborating evidence from other, impartial sources. If a civilization long after ours were to find nothing of our civilization except our repository of science fiction literature and movies, would they be correct in assuming that we had mastered space travel, time travel, hyperdrive technology (if it is at all possible), star trek style beaming technology, space colonies, etc?
    It may be entirely possible that our ancestors had indeed mastered advanced technology, but it is more likely that they did not. Human literature is limited only by our imagination, but reality follows radically different rules.

    Thus, till solid evidence is presented, I will remain skeptical, in keeping with the ancient Indian philosophies of accepting facts as truth only after carefully examining them.

  6. I always look for info. on Vedas, My believe is that Vedas have answer for the questions any human could ask. Your web site is a excellent source of getting the information about Vedas and anything one wants to know, Great work please keep up the great work. As per my understanding with my two cents, “you are not good, you are the best”

  7. albert einstein said that if the 3rd world war will be a nuclear war…….then the 4th world war would be fought with sticks and stones………similarly our ancestors in india faced a nuclear war and in this way lost all their technology….and started fighting with sticks and stones which evolved into sword and archery and then came guns and nuclear weapons……..after we face a nuclear war….our future generations will fight with sticks and stones and then again with guns and nukes….and when they will read our books in which nukes are described they will laugh it away……….this is a cycle always being repeated 

  8. It was by sheer chance that I chanced upon your website, and I THANK my STARS that I did! Thank you for all the beautiful information, shared. I am still to read more. God Bless You.

  9. The places that they’ve come from is the place where veda (knowledge) resides, in Akasha, in nature, everywhere. So it must mean a forgetfulness of everything for it to be remembered and/or rediscovered again.

    What do you think? :)

  10. Gurudev, I have a slightly different understanding of this passage here:

    “These weapons, having achieved success, have gone away to the place they came from. They will, again, come into thy hands when the Time for their coming approaches.”

    I think it means that the knowledge for such weapons (and pretty much all the advanced knowledge of the ancient vedic civilization) was lost in this war and the time for their second coming is RIGHT NOW, the last century where scientists rediscovered nuclear power.

    I think it just illustrates the cyclical nature of the yugas when all is lost at the end of an aeon for it to rise again in the next.

  11. I am 18 yrs old, and have always asked around ,why are we reading mahabhartas and vedas? why aren’t we reading science or history or maths?

    But now I understand why , hinduism is deep very complex , It has ayurveda,Yoga,vedas(Science)and  now nuclear bombsmY just feels like I was sleeping these many yearsall are metaphors all clues are cryin out to us to see through them and find the actual truth

    • Very true Thevocie. The thing is Mahabharatha is a history, a very ancient history, and vedas contain the knowledge of the ancient times. Not the mere materialistic definition we have for knowledge today, but much more than that. They all try to answer or find answers to the very basic question of “Who am I” or “What am I”.

      If the ancients could invent mathematics as we use even today (the place value system and zero which form the very foundation of modern mathematics was invented in ancient India), then what could stop them from inventing advanced technologies? After all their civilizations spanned for thousands of years where as our modern science is merely couple of centuries old.

    • Thanks Umesh. I have linked to the referenced chapters/verses from within the article itself as I didnt want to make the article look more complicated sounding like some thesis :)

  12. Gurudev, may I suggest you to write some article about the knowledge of Physics found in ancient texts. Very little is being talked about (in English) about the information about physical sciences present in ancient texts. And i Suppose this is because of the inherent differences in terminologies used in ancient texts for different modern terms. For example, we do not know what name the ancient texts would have given to the word “Quantum” or “Neutrino” if at all they knew about it. It would be interesting to do analysis on these lines.

  13. He He, first you said that you found in the Internet that Lithuanian imported Sanskrit terms from Latin, and when I showed its not the case, you now say it imported from Persian :)
    But I wont accuse you of cooking up stories. Any person who reads this thread about Lithuanian is free to search over the Internet about the influence of Sanskrit on Lithuanian. The examples I have given earlier are more than enough to find the similarities.

    No language imports proverbs entirely without using the actual words in their languages with the same meaning. Can we take a proverb from an african language into Hindi and start using it with the same meaning in Hindi without bothering about its meaning? When I quoted the similar Lithuanian-Sanskrit proverb, its not as if some single entity – each word in the proverb mean the same in Lithuanian as in Sanskrit. Yet I dont accuse you of being insane or using pseudologic. Because that is not how I debate.

    OK, now that you have asked what is my theory. How many parallel cultures you know of during the times of ancient vedic civilization? That says what my theory is. The entire world was filled with vedic culture in those early days, but with different flavors of it. Search for Vedic influence in Sumerian cultures, Roman culture (Mithraism), Mayan Culture, etc. You will then understand what I mean.

    For the benefit of those who want to know more, I suggest reading the following books

    The Origin of Human Past – http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Human-Past-Children-Immortal/product-reviews/8172761538

    Proof of Vedic Culture’s Global Existence – http://www.amazon.com/Proof-Vedic-Cultures-Global-Existence/dp/1439246483/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1264027662&sr=1-3

  14. Is there any archaeological evidence available about the Mahabharatha war? The war was said to have been fought at Kurukshetra and there still is a place with this name in Haryana.

    • kurukshetra is same as it is. indraprastha is basically present day delhi. hastinapur is near meerut. prayag is present day allahabad. peshawar – purushapura, multan – moolasthana, takshasheela-taxila near present day rawalpindi.

      also saraswathi river used to flow almost exactly on the present day india-pakistan border as we see it today in rajastan and sindh/kutchch.

  15. Cool buddy, almost all websites out there when talking about a nuclear war in ancient India contain the same repeated information about some Gurkha flying some projectile. Your article is refreshing and contains new information. When is the next part going to be updated?

  16. Excellent Information. Kudos for writing such an informative article. We people know only of the Mahabharatha we see in TV serials and have never read the actual texts or verses. I do not know samskrit, but after having read your articles will try to learn Sanskrit with dedication. It will then help me read and understand the original samskrit texts.

    • Thanks Padmini. Good to know that you want to learn Sanskrit. It is a language so vast that the more you learn, the more there seems to be learned and understood.

  17. You said, “because it would be the most non violent approach”. I would term this approach suicidal and hence extremely violent. You think US intelligence or administration would have no knowledge of Taliban takeover till they actually takeover? Even after knowing this if they have not acted, then it simply means they are not interested to act against them.

    Looks like you want India to wait even after Taliban takes over Pak – but mark my words – it will be a thousand times bigger blunder than Nehru sleeping in 1962. What makes you think that a bunch of terrorists who dont mind blowing themselves up at every available opportunity will site idle the moment they lay seize on Pak nukes? Thankfully Indian army doesnt think the way you do and they already have a strategy to counter act in such a worst case scenario.

    By saying we should rely on US action in case of a Taliban takeover, now I really wonder whether it is Pak which is the US puppet or is it India? And what if US refuses to act? What are you going to do then? Why not do it in the first place?

    • i also put up the al-jazeera version in case someone doubts the authenticity of the video. 2 things are really puzzling about this video.
      neither did bhutto bat an eyelid when mentioning the name osama bin laden, nor did the anchor bat an eyelid when she said osama bin laden. assuming by mistake someone did say that, the other fellow would immediately say,”whaaaaaat, osama dead????”, but there was nothing of that sort and the interview carried on normally. she was also talking a lot on the attempted assassination attacks on her and also the possibilities of future attack on her  and we all know what happened sometime later

  18. I have clearly told you earlier that comment moderation is on in this site for comments with links and such comments will be approved only after being reviewed. So have patience in case you post comments with links. No comments with healthy content will be screwed up.

  19. One more point to note – We keep hearing everybody (including myself sometimes) saying

    US actually supported one group earlier, then they are attacking them today. US originally funded one group and then acted against the same group. US initially supported this country but today they are supporting this country’s adversary – and so on …

    My question now is – are rest of the world fools to always play into the hands of US? Why did Russia or Germany accept US funds or technology earlier? Did somebody force it down their throat? So if US is guilty of playing tricks, so are other countries in allowing US to play such tricks. And why do they do that? Because it suited their interests then, just like the way it suited for US to do whatever it did.

    Now just because finally US won if people end up saying US funded Nazi or Communism, ti was US conspiracy etc, then the natural question arises that the others who played into this conspiracy either
    a) Willingly did so, because it benefited them then. OR
    b) Were incapable administrators who could not figure out what is good or bad for them OR
    c) Were so weak that they had to bow down to US pressure
    And in either case, they are not justified in complaining about US later just because it didnt work out for them.

    • hello boss,
      i’ve given you evidence for all these claims. they are definitely not some conspiracy theories. if you are so lazy as to not look at evidences i have pointed out for you, i can’t help your state of mind. i suggest you look at antony suttons videos for a start before reading his books. whatever claims he makes are very strongly backed by evidence. he gives the dates of the various bills of cash/technology transfers between the various organisations/countries in his books. 

      also why do you think the US took in many of the nazi scientists to work for them after the defeat of germany?? weren’t the nazi scientists bad people and enemies of the US? also during the war why didn’t the US bomb many of the prime german factories producing the war goods/weapons/technology?? many of the german factories of big organisations were left unscathed.

      regarding why these countries accepted them, look at germany first. german economy(at the time of the start of nazism) was in shambles. many believed that it was because of the jews, because the jews were in charge of most of the banks and  the kind of banking system is the fractional reserve banking(which is followed by most countries even today although in a much more regulated manner than in the earlier days(again even this claim is debatable)), where there are regular booms and busts and the economy eventually over a longer period of time suffers.

      now i don’t agree with the view that only the jews were responsible for this, but that was the viewpoint of germany at the time of the rise of nazism and that is why hitler became popular. regarding rise of communism in russia, communism is a very attractive philosophy when listened to in brief since it advocates freedom to the peasants (thats why it is popular in the moist areas of india which are mostly tribal and they do not have the proper knowledge of history about this philosophy, and regarding kerala it follows a very very mild form of communism which i called joke communism :D and hence have a healthy economy). but we know what really happens in the end. one organisation(communist government) ends up owning all the resources of the country and the free market system is killed.

      we today know what is the best form of an economy. somewhere between capitalism and socialism or free market system with mega capitalism under control.

      again all these problems start with brainwashing/propaganda.

      so i have provided references for the claims. it is up to you whether you go through them with an open mind or avoid them since they don’t concur with your viewpoints. check up antony sutton(videos on youtube and books), money masters video(videos on youtube and many other sites) just for a start before going through many other sources of information. and don’t use labels like conspiracy theory,etc. many a conspiracy theory actually has backing of claim by evidence, and may a time official viewpoints have claims without evidecne. things are always not black/white, most of the time things are grey

      don’t reply immediately saying these are conspiracy theories and hence have no backing. that’s the easy way out. i can make similar claims about you saying you support nuclear bombings, justify the nuclear bombing on japan on the grounds that it was needed to end WW2, and hence you are a terrorist. it is just a lack of information on your part and i wouldn’t make labels on people just because they are ill informed

      • You are not getting the point here. Its not just about money – did US give money to Hitler asking him to start the wars? I know the economy matters behind all the wars and have written about them earlier too. See http://www.hitxp.com/articles/economics/petro-dollar-gold-secret-oil/ and http://www.hitxp.com/articles/economics/promise-pay-bearer-currency-history-federal-bank/

        Tell me one thing, do you mean to say US started world war II?

        You are not getting it when I said “In politics there are no friends or foes”. US welcomes talent from all over the world and that is the sole reason it is the super power today. As long as a scientist is talented and willing to work for US, it doesnt care about his race, ideology etc. Its not about whether I support this or not, its how US works and its the main reason why it has world dominance. US is a country built of migrated talents from across the world including India and Germany is no exception to it. Even Einstein migrated to US.

        If other countries cannot retain their talents, it is their problem not US’, and it is advantage US.

        Regarding Communism, not just Indian CPMs, even the communism of China is a joke. Marx would have sat on fast unto death if he heard Chinese PP members saying they practice communism. By the way, Communism in theory is a good idea as long as it is in the books and is not meant to influence human minds, the moment people take it up as an ideology, it results in the worst form of power centralization and oppression of people.

        As I said earlier, humans are after all animals always wanting to expand their area of dominance, and Communism provides those in a power a good tool to achieve dominance. Most wrongly believe that its only capitalism that has a problem with communism – the fact is democracy has more problems with communism than capitalism.

        Marx says, all private property should be abolished. Come on, human evolution doesnt work that way. The moment you abolish private property, what is the motivation to innovate and invent (other than self satisfaction which again requires things like funding, equipments etc), if every person is going to get his meal and home equally irrespective of how much he works, and cant make huge gains no matter how hard he works, who will bother to work harder? Such a society will become like a jail, where no matter how much you work, what you earn remains fixed.

        I reply immediately based on the things that I know or dont, else it doesnt become My reply, if I search the Internet and look up for supporting facts AFTER I put down my arguments.

        Regarding WW II, the information you are lacking is (and I searched to get the actual term right), read about Potsdam Declaration, where US and allies repeatedly urged Japanese to surrender, and Japan refused it and insisted on continuing to fight. US and allies wanted to end the war quickly without risking more civilian/military loss on their side and hence resorted to nukes.

        Are you aware that prior to using nuclear bombs US had for six months bombed Japanese cities using conventional bombs hoping that the Japanese would surrender? US military even air dropped pamphlets on Japanese cities describing the Postdam Declaration (which was not announced to the Japanese citizens by their own very government), so that the Japanese citizens could force their government to surrender.

        After finding out that the US had made Japanese citizens aware of the Postdam Declaration, the Japanese PM called a press meet saying Japan ignores the declaration and will continue to fight. A couple of days later the two nukes followed and ultimately Japan surrendered on the same conditions it had refused to earlier. If at all they had surrendered a couple of days sooner, probably WW II would not have witnessed nuclear attacks.

        • Tell me one thing, do you mean to say US started world war II? –  of course yes. well before the war actually started. 
          even i appreciate the US policy of accepting talent from all over the world. that’s why they are no1 in science. but this cannot be used as an excuse to condone their military strategy which is very abhorrent even today.

          yes, i just went through the potsdam declaration and maybe the japanese were against the disarmament of their military forces in immediate effect, or maybe some other factors were at play too. but nuclear retaliation was extreme and can be debated by scholars on the subject as to whether it was required or not. but sweeping statements like nuclear bombs were needed to end WW2 is  %$#$# (*&.      the allies together could have easily taken care of japan although the time taken could have been more.

          again japan also was very strong in not surrendering and giving up. also if the US and its allies would have clearly mentioned that “prompt and utter destruction” ==== nuclear bombs, history could have been different!!

          • Did US forces order German military to start the war and attack Poland? If German or Japanese rulers are naive enough to play by US tricks then the problem lies with them not with the US. If some person B gives a person A, a million bucks to go and kill others, and if the person B agrees, whose fault is it?

            Every country wants to protect its Interets, and US is only doing what it needs to do to protect its interests. If other countries or people find it wrong, then they should fight it, there is no shortcut to this. US President is elected by American people and he/his government does what he believes to be in the interests of his country.

            Its not as if only US attacks all other countries, and every other country in the world is otherwise a saint. Every country has problems with so many other countries. It is only that they dont have the military or technological dominance as US. Can you imagine how the world would be if Pakistan or China or North Korea had the same might as US?

            The question is not about whether nuclear bombing was right or wrong, it definitely was wrong. But your statement that US bombed Japan to show the world the power of nukes is WRONG. If that was the real intention then they need not have started urging Japan to surrender and air dropping pamphlets, nor was there any need to bomb more than one city.

            You should understand that countries had been fighting for over half a decade and wanted to conclude the war soon – it was a completely unproductive era and each passing day meant lot more destruction and lot more loss of lives and a lot lot more pressure on the economy – fighting lengthy wars as long as this is not a small game.

            To say that the Japanese govt/scientists didnt know what “prompt and utter destruction” meant would be naive because
            1. Everybody knew and were working parallelly to get the nuclear technology right first.
            2. No sane military will publicize what kind of weapon it will use beforehand. The whole art of war is to keep the enemy guessing and take him by surprise.

      • You are not getting the point here. Its not just about money – did US give money to Hitler asking him to start the wars? I know the economy matters behind all the wars and have written about them earlier too. See http://www.hitxp.com/articles/economics/petro-dollar-gold-secret-oil/ and http://www.hitxp.com/articles/economics/promise-pay-bearer-currency-history-federal-bank/

        Tell me one thing, do you mean to say US started world war II?

        You are not getting it when I said “In politics there are no friends or foes”. US welcomes talent from all over the world and that is the sole reason it is the super power today. As long as a scientist is talented and willing to work for US, it doesnt care about his race, ideology etc. Its not about whether I support this or not, its how US works and its the main reason why it has world dominance. US is a country built of migrated talents from across the world including India and Germany is no exception to it. Even Einstein migrated to US.

        If other countries cannot retain their talents, it is their problem not US’, and it is advantage US.

        Regarding Communism, not just Indian CPMs, even the communism of China is a joke. Marx would have sat on fast unto death if he heard Chinese PP members saying they practice communism. By the way, Communism in theory is a good idea as long as it is in the books and is not meant to influence human minds, the moment people take it up as an ideology, it results in the worst form of power centralization and oppression of people.

        As I said earlier, humans are after all animals always wanting to expand their area of dominance, and Communism provides those in a power a good tool to achieve dominance. Most wrongly believe that its only capitalism that has a problem with communism – the fact is democracy has more problems with communism than capitalism.

        Marx says, all private property should be abolished. Come on, human evolution doesnt work that way. The moment you abolish private property, what is the motivation to innovate and invent (other than self satisfaction which again requires things like funding, equipments etc), if every person is going to get his meal and home equally irrespective of how much he works, and cant make huge gains no matter how hard he works, who will bother to work harder? Such a society will become like a jail, where no matter how much you work, what you earn remains fixed.

        I reply immediately based on the things that I know or dont, else it doesnt become My reply, if I search the Internet and look up for supporting facts AFTER I put down my arguments.

        Regarding WW II, the information you are lacking is (and I searched to get the actual term right), read about Potsdam Declaration, where US and allies repeatedly urged Japanese to surrender, and Japan refused it and insisted on continuing to fight. US and allies wanted to end the war quickly without risking more civilian/military loss on their side and hence resorted to nukes.

        Are you aware that prior to using nuclear bombs US had for six months bombed Japanese cities using conventional bombs hoping that the Japanese would surrender? US military even air dropped pamphlets on Japanese cities describing the Postdam Declaration (which was not announced to the Japanese citizens by their own very government), so that the Japanese citizens could force their government to surrender.

        After finding out that the US had made Japanese citizens aware of the Postdam Declaration, the Japanese PM called a press meet saying Japan ignores the declaration and will continue to fight. A couple of days later the two nukes followed and ultimately Japan surrendered on the same conditions it had refused to earlier. If at all they had surrendered a couple of days sooner, probably WW II would not have witnessed nuclear attacks.

  20. Well the Chinese atleast built a wall to protect from aggressors, Indians didnt even build that and gave all invaders a free pass :)

    See the article in question is to just prove a point that ancient Indians had nuclear technology and the historic references have been made to drive this point home. Having said that if it is no wrong to have nukes today, it was no wrong to have nukes then. Regarding the using of nukes, in an all out war where it is a you or me question, it is bound to happen. We may try to give any moral ethical judgement on it – but military does not work that way.

    How many countries are there in this world which have never waged a war? When one side shows greed, the other has no option but to respond. If India today is shrinked to this small geography from its original geopolitical boundaries it is because of our stupid approach of talking peace when the enemy knows no meaning of it. Just yesterday Chinese entered Ladakh area and destroyed property, and we claim no knowledge of it – why?

    I said “Humans are by nature animals” in the sense – every animal wants to protect and expand its influence – and no humans have given it up – every person works to maintain and expand his area of influence – every country tries to do it constantly – in the very ancient settlements it was usually physical/military dominance – and in modern days it can be anything and everything from – military to economic to technological dominance – so humans have only broadened the definition of the area of dominance from a mere physical/military one to other areas of influence.

    I know very well about WWII and Pre-WWII history, but my friend – in international politics or politics in general – there are no permanent friends or foes – there are only political interests and gains. Did US ask Hitler to start all the wars attacking every other country? It was the same US which had imposed humiliating conditions on Germany post WW I which finally caused the rise of Hitler. Everybody knows that US initially supported Taliban during the cold war to fight Russians, but when the same Taliban turned against US – the NATO forces are now bombing those whom once they funded. So? This is politics – in the past the US interests were in funding Taliban – and today US interests are in fighting them.

    Not to say that what US did then or today was right or wrong. We cannot have absolute rights or wrongs in such cases. US did what it did in the past or present to protects its interests – which is why it still is the sole superpower. Russia did what it did to protect its interests, Afghans did what they did to protect their interests. Some failed, some succeeded. Some were considered wrong by others, some were considered right.

    You should really watch WWII documentaries and read WW II history books to see what Germans and Japanese were doing – they have killed innocent civilians too and attacked numerous cities worldwide – except that they didnt use nukes bcoz they didnt have them. Why do you think Einstein and numerous other scientists wrote to the US president urging him to fund the invention of atomic bomb before the Germans could arrive at it? Einstein was such a great human being after all, and he very well knew what he was talking about.

    BTW, I guess you missed noticing that I have linked to the original sanskrit texts in the article itself – most of the verses are from first chapter of Mausala Parva and 22nd chapter of Vana Parva of Mahabharatha.

    Finally, every person has the right to talk out his mind and nobody has the right to take it away from him – you can debate and discuss and post counter arguments or point out mistakes on points which you disagree- but cannot say “dont put down your points” :)

        • i haven’t read mein kampf, but reading mein kampf doesn’t automatically imply one knows each and every thing about WW2. i have clearly shown you evidence in prof sutton’s videos of the US sponsoring of the rise of nazism. his books will have evidence of documented bills of cash/technology transfers. so they are not baseless allegations

          BTW that statement”i know very well about WW2″ was made by you not me and i wanted to ask do you?. i donno how to do this quoting business here:D

          • I referred to Mein Kempf to imply that I have read and seen both versions of the story. I do that at every available opportunity because usually winners write history and we should try to see both sides of the coin as much as possible.

            Again regarding US sponsoring nazism, I know it and have mentioned earlier too that it is same as US sponsoring Taliban earlier. Just because they were friends once doesnt mean, they shouldnt be foes in the future. Which is why I kept saying in politics there are no permanent friends or foes. US supported Taliban earlier – yes a fact – but does that mean one should support 9/11 type of attacks? Same applies to WWII Germany.

            I said “I know very well about WW2” to literally mean that, because your earlier comments sounded as if I have no knowledge of WW2. I didnt question your knowledge of WW2 in the above statement :)

            • hence my question was, do you know enough about WW2

              it has been shown by evidence that the US did not attack many of the mega factories producing goods for nazi germany. why do you think that is?? what friends/foes are you talking about??

              again i request you to watch prof.Sutton’s interviews/read his books and make up your mind on the subject. i am not imposing any viewpoint on you. just showing you info with evidence as to what actually could have happened

      • You are needlessly getting overexcited.The article only seeks to educate how advanced the ancient Indians were.Today the westerners consider themselves as the cradle of civilization and have cooked up false theories like stone age,aryan invasion etc.This we study in text books and look towards them in awe.

        As for wars,these cannot be encouraged.Wars happen because of some bad people.The good don’t have much choice but to fight with them.In such times it is important that the good have better weapons than the bad ones.Only then the good can triumph.If you claim you are good and don’t keep weapons then the bad ones will endup with better weapons.Incase of attack you stand to lose.If both have the nuclear weapons it serves as a deterrent just like how India hates to go on a nuclear war with Pakistan.Ancient Indian wars took care not to harm the ordinary people not connected with war.But today no one cares about ethics in war.So nuclear weapons are a sorry reality of the world.

        • True Prashanth, wars cannot be encouraged, but they do happen. Every human is not alike and its not the common man who has military power. And the aim of the article was to put forward the possibilities of ancient Indians having mastered great military technology. If writing about wars in history is wrong, then we should put a ban on every history book :)

          The main Mahabharath war was so ethical compared to modern wars
          1. War was fought within the boundaries of a geographical area designated as battle zone.
          2. War was not fought after sunset till the next sunrise.
          3. Soldiers weren’t supposed to kill unarmed soldiers or those who surrendered
          and so on…

        • ya, as long as articles on the web like this post the sources/evidence and the author’s interpretation things are fine(but no extrapolations please especially when the extrapolations turn out to be illogical). there is little doubt that ancient indians were  technologically advanced. many ayurvedic medicines like bhasma/choorna include ingredients like iron/mercury/calcium. ingredients which are toxic to humans but through a process these metals are made fit for human consumption. i think modern chemistry/biology is still befuddled by this, but instead they resort to name calling saying ayurvedic medicines have high amounts of mercury, etc while actually not reporting that these are actually safe for human consumption. i myself take a few grams of navayasa churna every week which contains 50% iron filings as an ingredient(anemia, bye bye :D)

          maybe individuals can be put under the good/bad category(again i personally don’t like using such terms) but definitely not a group of people or countries. can one say india is good and pakistan is bad? such statements make no logical sense.
          also i am totally in agreement that the vajpayee government was completely right in testing its nuclear capabilities. also you are right, as in the recent history of india the local kings never harmed the civilian population much when they were wars. also many of the kings were multi-lingual as in any of the kings in karnataka and andhra promoted kannada,telugu and sanskrit. archeological/historical sites in places near kollegal, bangalore, mysore had tamil script and many places in areas around trichy, madurai had telugu/kannada engravings. so multilinguism was always the speciality of india. reason i’m saying this is that it mattered little to the people as to who ruled them.

          but if we see evidence like many people in cities dying due to nuclear warfare in ancient india(provided it is proven properly) should we not be ashamed that regular citizens were harmed?? that was all my question was.

          • And will you kindly enlighten me about where in the article have I done any extrapolation, or have wrote anything on lines of Pakistan is Bad and India is Good?

            Regular citizens were harmed in the history of every civilization, and it has been happening ever since Man stood up and walked and will continue to happen in the future too. So how does it make a special case for this article to be ashamed of some ancient war, while the article merely states facts and related interpretations from ancient texts?

            Is a war good if no nukes were used? Innocent civilians have been killed in all wars. Even the soldiers who are fighting a war at the behest of their ruler are innocents who are dying for somebody else’s cause unless and until they are the defending side. So shall we start going all over the world and tell all those who simply mention about an ancient war in his country or region to be ashamed of himself?

          • And will you kindly enlighten me about where in the article have I done any extrapolation, or have wrote anything on lines of Pakistan is Bad and India is Good?

            Regular citizens were harmed in the history of every civilization, and it has been happening ever since Man stood up and walked and will continue to happen in the future too. So how does it make a special case for this article to be ashamed of some ancient war, while the article merely states facts and related interpretations from ancient texts?

            Is a war good if no nukes were used? Innocent civilians have been killed in all wars. Even the soldiers who are fighting a war at the behest of their ruler are innocents who are dying for somebody else’s cause unless and until they are the defending side. So shall we start going all over the world and tell all those who simply mention about an ancient war in his country or region to be ashamed of himself?

            • extrapolation was done in your comment section, not in the article per se. and the india-pak thing was written by another replier here not you, and i didn’t accuse you of any saying  india-pak good/bad either.

              • Since you have not mentioned it explicitly, I guess you are referring to these lines of mine in the comments

                “We should be proud of our great history and ancient achievements, also as a society should learn from our mistakes in history”

                The first part of it is because the ancients knew so much of science and technology and so we should be proud of our history and and ancient achievements.

                The second part of it is because as is well known the Mahabharatha war ended up in massive destruction with no winners left and only ruins everywhere (which has been mentioned in the article as well), and we should be learning form these past mistakes and prevent any future wars.

                What is wrong with these statements?

                • how can we be proud if we come to know that entire cities were erased from nuclear warfare in ancient india??? this was my question.

                  since you clearly say we should be proud, there is something ethically wrong in your statements. yes we should be proud if ancient indians indeed could build nad test nuclear weapons(again more evidence needs to come out on this subject).

                  no we should not be proud if we learn that entire cities were wiped out by nuclear warfare. we should be ashamed.

                  and of course we must learn from our past mistakes. 

                  • Come on, by your definition Americans shouldnt be proud of their physicists discovering the functioning of splitting atom because it was later used to create nuclear weapons. Why are you trying to imply as if I have said that I am proud of ancients using nukes in wars? I have stated clearly that, “proud of” was about the ability of ancients having known so much of science in nuclear physics. What is ethically wrong in being proud of the scientific achievements of the ancients?

                    And I have clearly stated that we should learn from our past mistakes, so where is the question of I being proud of weapons or wars wiping entire cities?

                    • Come on, by your definition Americans shouldnt be proud of their physicists discovering the functioning of splitting atom because it was later used to create nuclear weapons.no, i never said that. i said they should be ashamed that they dropped bombs on the the  civilian centers of hiroshima and nagasaki. i already said that 
                      you have used words like “amazing information”, “ancient means (not) dumb”, “cases of instant death in some of the ancient indus valley sites” , etc. i found that there is a general tone of optimism instead of which ideally there should have been a tone of revulsion(provided evidence is found of nukes being used on civilian centres in ancient india), else there is nothing wrong in having a sense of optimism if nukes were built and tested.  NOT IF THEY WERE USED IN WARFARE

                    • Do you even read my replies? I have already told umpteen number of times that “amazing information”, “ancient means (not) dumb” – was to mean all about the advancements of science and technology the ancients had since they had enough knowledge of science and technology to develop nukes.

                      Have I anywhere said anything like “good that they used nukes”? dumb means one who doesnt know, and not being dumb means possessing the knowledge. Can “not being dumb” ever mean “fighting war” or “using nukes”? Do we call those who dont fight in war as “being dumb” in english?

                      What is the problem if somebody finds cases of instant death in indus valley sites? Does stating a fact or observation mean glorifying it?

                      And why are you deliberately missing out the other statement I made, that we should “learn from the lessons of history”, which was all about the ill effects of war and nukes?

                    • comeon you said 2 nukes were needed to end WW2?? didn’t you say this? this statement was the catalyst of all these long and boring replies.

                      “learn from lessons of history”, thats like saying everything wrong 1st and then making amends with this silly statements. will not work with me :D

                    • That statement about WW2 came later in the discussion, your first comment was about we have to be ashamed of ancient nukes, and my statement of “learn from lessons of history” was much before you even made your first comment in this article. See the initial discussion thread where I replied to Raj http://www.hitxp.com/articles/history/ancient-nuclear-war-atomic-bomb-india-literary-evidence/#comment-308531776

                      Any person who reads the entire comments from oldest to recent will be able to make out what I mean.

                    • And you mean to say I have amended my earlier comments anywhere? If I were that type then would have never allowed any of your comments in the first place.

                    • Dear Guru,
                      This is first time i’m writing in this section. Till now i used to read all the discussion. Leave Vina becoz she is just one more Indian who does not believe in her own history and herself.
                      What i came to understand from all your article is that Indians were/are the best in scince & tech. We are hearing from childhood that the three main gods are Brahma,Vishnu & shiv and are the basic particle of any thing as western people says now Neutron,Proton and Electron. Ancient Indians  says Brahma is the creator where as western people changed the name to Neutron. Vishnu is the preserver and they say Proton is holding the nucleus. Lord Shiva is the destroyer and they say electron and the flow of electron which is current will can destroy any thing. They just changed the name.
                       Indians used teach science throgh good stories and colour full images.
                      Proud to be an Indian..

                      jay

                    • True Jay,
                      The very essence of Trimurti Concept shows the understanding that the universal divinity lies not just in mere existence – but also in the birth and death of this physical universe. If one gets into the concept of creation of the universe described in the ancient texts it is really so mystical.

                      The only eternal existence in the universe is said to be the Supreme Consciousness (referred to as Vishnu, Narayana, etc). And then there is the concept of Sankalpa. The universe is said to have created due to the Sankalpa of this eternal consciousness. Which is why it is depicted as Brahma coming out of the Nabhi of Vishnu. Brahma is the physical universe and nabhi as we know represents the birth, and the nabhi coming out of Vishnu indicates the supreme consciousness causing the birth of this universe. Brahma or our Universe in the end gets back into the Supreme Consciousness.

                      And this is just the tip of the iceberg! If only Sanskrit were as popular as English today, our entire understanding of world history and the universe would have been totally different. And most probably humans would have been living in harmony with nature around us.

    • Comment moderation is on in this site for any comment that contains links, to prevent comment spam. You should have even got a message after posting the comment that it will be in moderation queue for approval. This is an open forum and all discussions are welcome as long as they are in healthy language :)

  21. Can any one help me? My best friend is a big skeptic he even doesnt beleive that there is a string theory and just teases me for saying  nonsense 
    im an indian and i am proud of it

    • How did your friend conclude that there is no string theory? Just one google search is enough to show loads of information about it :)

  22. you make it sound like it is a cool thing to have a nuclear war over petty geopolitics(which happened in japan in which my take is that the US did not want to achieve anything much but wanted to show to the world the power of a nuclear bomb).

    if something like this did happen we must be ashamed not proud

    • No war is cool, but there is no civilization on this planet without a history which has no war. So going by that, every civilization on this planet should be ashamed of – fighting for their survival? Is it cool if the wars fought were non-nuclear?

      All animal species by nature are fighters for their survival and humans are no exception to it. Why do countries have military, army, bombs even today? Shouldn’t we be ashamed today for having nukes which can destroy this planet well over a thousand times?

      If US had not nuked Japan, world war II would not have ended in 1945. If Germany/Japan had succeeded in building the nukes first, then instead of Japanese cities, it would have been US/Allied European cities which would have been nuked. Every country does its best to survive, and thats what US did. Germans had pounded rockets loaded with tonnes of chemical bombs on London, except that it was not nuke and it missed the target. Germans and Japanese had bombed loads of European cities in the war, except that they didnt have nuclear technology to use nukes.

      BTW I believe there is lot more for us to be ashamed of ourselves today – from polluting this planet to chopping down forests to denying wildlife their safe homes to altering natural genes in the name of GM food to throwing up plastic waste all over the planet to so many other things… Future generations in another two or three centuries will be more ashamed of our present generation than the generations who warred thousands of years back – because we will be giving them a completely polluted planet.

      • Today I am more ashamed of the behavior of many of my fellow Indians who come to US on temporary work visas. First, most of them come on business visas and do work which in itself is illegal. On top of that, their social and civic behavior is, what can I say …..

    • Suppose today Pakistan tries to nuke India. Getting to know this India nukes Pakistan first to protect itself. Do you think India should be ashamed of itself for doing this?

    • If one is ashamed of nuclear bombs, then one should be also ashamed of the war fought. Any type of bombing is only a byproduct of a war. It is a known thing that Mahabharatha war took place. So did so many other wars. We see infighting within humanity ever since the dawn of history. This is not restricted only to India or Mahabharatha times alone. Thus, one should be ashamed of being human in this case. Hence, one cannot cherry pick an isolated incident of some bombing in some ancient war as a thing to be ashamed of. Moreover I do not see any glorification of the war in the article besides quoting from the epic and the author’s interpretation of those quotes. You can find hundreds of such articles on the web about nuclear bombing during second world war, and dozens of documentaries in history channel, natgeo etc which also show war time visuals. Are they glorification of the war?

      • no one should not be ashamed of nuclear bombs, since they are inevitable once the nuclear technology is developed. in this modern era if oppenheimer wouldn’t have developed it someone else a few years later would have. oppenheimer was a historical figure who was doing his job. we must look at his accomplishments with disconnect, not pride or vilification. since the author continuously quotes this oppenheimer quote from the geeta i have a problem. and also the general tone of the writing is one of optimism especially when he has written things like “amazing information”, “ancient means (NOT) dumb”  and also things like entire cities were wiped out, for ex: he says that many of the skeletons found in the indus valley sites are highly radioactive, pots were found fused, this could have been a case of instant death .

        now if indeed this is proven to be true that during some of the ancient wars of india nuclear bombs indeed were used to wipe out entire civilian cities, should we not be ashamed???
        if nuclear bombs were built and tested then we can be proud, but if they were used against innocent civilians we have to be ashamed.

        should we also be proud of raavaNa abducting seeta also just because it is mentioned in raamaayaNa?

        • Hello Boss, what is your problem if I quote Oppenheimer quoting Gita? Does Gita glorify nukes? Is explaining the effects of a weapon glorifying it? Does saying “Nukes can destroy entire cities” mean glorifying nukes?

          And where did this Raavan come from now? Have I anywhere said “ancients used nukes so let us be proud of the ancients?”

        • Why not? Of course we should be ashamed of nuclear bombs because we are misusing the science to create killer weapons. If some maniac like Hitler gets elected to the top post of a country having nuclear weapons then all hell will break loose.

          I see no problem in quoting Bhagavadgita. Bhagavadgita is not some banned text nor is Oppenheimer some insane person. From the tone of the article I can see that the author is referring to the so far unknown information and calls it “amazing information”. Indeed it is amazing, because I never knew about this. I also see that the author saying in the comment section that he was referring to the possible advances in nuclear physics ancient people could have made. So where is the problem?

          Do you expect people to sit and cry every time somebody discovers about some ancient war that took place? What has happened was bad, but the article in question is not about whether the happenings were right or wrong. It merely states what might have caused what happened. We cannot expect every book or documentary on World War II Histry to end saying “USA should be ashamed of…”

          Who said we should be proud of Ravana? It is again a fact that Ravana abducted Sita. But just stating a fact does not mean one is endorsing it.

          • i feel that once nuclear technology is developed, the making of nuclear bomb is inevitable. that is just the animal in us that makes us do it. of course oppenheimer was not crazy but just doing the job as if it wasn’t him, it would have been someone else.

            again regarding the article, i asked the main blogger here as to shouldn’t we be ashamed and he didn’t change his stance and the arguments spilled over to unknown territories rofl.

            • Inevitable? Not really. If countries can agree on not to develop chemical and biological weapons, why not agree on nuclear weapons? If the animal can be suppressed for chemical and biological, why not for nuclear. After all, it is the most civilized nations on this planet which have nukes today, not some Sudan or Somalia, so the animal thing does not make sense.

              If Oppenheimer was doing his job, then so was the pilot of the plane which dropped the bomb. So was the president of US who ordered this. The US President had to make sure that his forces do not continue to fight and die when they had a more powerful weapon, the pilot was just following the President’s orders. The US President is there to save US people and US army men, not of his foes.

              I have read comments where the main blogger has mentioned “we should be learning form these past mistakes and prevent any future wars”. And I dont see him supporting the war anywhere. I think you have needlessly created a completely off topic thread in this article, though I enjoyed reading the arguments and counter points.

              • even though countries don’t admit to using chemical/biological warfare they very much still use it although covertly. 

                i have already shown you evidence through links where the US and it allies did not bomb the mega factories of germany which were producing the war goods/machinery, which could have ended WW2 with much lesser suffering. also initially it was US which transferred technology for increasing the octane number of gasoline to make it fit for aviation to germany, also the technology to obtain oil from coal. germany did not exactly have a lot of oil resources.

                all this evidence is present in the links i’ve provided.

  23. I suggest you write an open letter to United Nations to get a proper place for India in world history. I am fed up reading every where that whatever we are seeing now were originated in India. Though one feels happy and proud but whats the use.? Can it bring any change in the present condition of India or its status in the International arena?

  24. I suggest you write an open letter to United Nations to get a proper place for India in world history. I am fed up reading every where that whatever we are seeing now were originated in India. Though one feels happy and proud but whats the use.? Can it bring any change in the present condition of India or its status in the International arena?

    • We should be proud of our great history and ancient achievements, also as a society should learn from our mistakes in history. But having said that, I dont think we should look out for any certificate of appreciation from anybody else about our pride. It shouldnt be about what others think about us, it should be what we think of ourselves and our history.

      As for current status, history should only act as a measure for us to see how much our ancients had achieved. And we should be using these past achievements as a motivation to achieve more in the present and future. We shouldnt be expecting the world to honor us based only on our past achievements. Great people outside Inida like Einstein, Bohr, Schrodinger, Mark Twain, Will Durant have all acknowledged ancient Indian’s achievements many a times in the past. As for detractors, there always will be such people.

      But to change the present status of India, we should be working towards solving our issues and achieving milestones in different fields of expertise and interest. Past history can in no way lift our status or improve our society if we dont perform today. Vedic seers, Vyasa, Agastya, Aryabhata, Bhaskara, Charaka, Sushruta, Panini, Chanakya, Ashoka, Shivaji – all achieved so much and hence made our history and country proud. If we are to be proud today, the only way is to achieve great things in a similar way, build a great society, solve our problems – and there by make the future generations to be proud of us as their ancestors :)

  25. What you say might be true.. Also the Vedic people knew of deeper sciences which is unknown to people now.So the weapons could have utilized the knowledge of the deeper sciences as well.The westerners have created a wrong history of entire world under stone age when ancient India was so advanced..

    • History as we read in our textbooks , especially the history of pre chrisitian era is total junk, is more of a cooked up story propagated a thousand times to popularize a biased interpretation of a section of the society.

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