Just had a passing thought while thinking about the reason as to why modern science is finding it difficult to come to terms with the finest details of universe like consciousness, awareness, particle non-locality, quantum teleportation, etc.
The reason I think is,
Modern science tries to formulate everything into the way our human brains can understand. It is like taking a complex puzzle and trying to understand it by breaking into simplest parts. So some will be experts on one part called mathematics, some others will be expert on another piece of the puzzle called physics, some on chemistry etc.
Vedic science on the other hand tries to upgrade our level of understanding and thinking to a level at which the universe itself functions, and once we reach that level, understanding the functioning of this universe will be as simple as watching a movie!
So in vedic philosophical science there will always be a starting trouble and only few can successfully upgrade themselves to that high level of thinking. But once you cross this level, life will be very simple there.
Modern science on the other hand is all about trying to put together the parts of the puzzle which we ourselves had broken down into pieces like biology, physics, chemistry etc. So to solve the puzzle we then try to create interconnection between the parts in the form of biochemistry, biophysics, physiochemistry etc. But for most people life will be over before they can really master one or two such pieces of the puzzle
To summarize I think,
modern science is materialistic in nature, while vedic science is realistic :)
nani nanru which means very very very very…….. great. thanks gurudev for uploading such a great article i loved each and every part of it. this article tells the lost and forgotten greatness of ancient india. vedas are not just a religious book but are great books of infinite knowledge. we indians must bring out this knowledge and must put it into use once again and thanks again gurudev.
dear gurudev,
thanks for uploading this article of vedic science vs modern science.i am supposed to take part in a debate comp( pharmacy courses should contain modern system of medicines only)n i m standing against the motion.n your article is of great help but can u just help me with my topic by giving some solid points before 24th of nov.
thanks
bbye
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Dear Anirudh,
While surfing through blogs related to the works of Pt. Madhusudana Ojha and Pt. Motilal Sharmma, I came across your blog wherein you have indicated that you are in the lineage of Motilalji and you are on and off interested in ?vedic research? etc.
You would be aware that Pt. Motilal Sharmma dedicated his opus on ?Shraaddha Vijnaana? (Vol-3) as a way of maanasika shraaddha. His grandson, Pt. Krishnachandra Sharma continued with this hallowed practice by getting several of Motilalji?s works published. I am mentioning this because a significant portion of Motilalji?s vast oeuvre is still to see the light of day. The magnitude of this work can only be guessed from the fact that in his ?Aatmanivedana? in ?Shatapatha Brahmana Hindi Vijnaana Bhashya? (Prathama Kaanda, Prathama Khanda; V.S. 2015) he has indicated at page 52 that his oeuvre consisting of bhaashyas on certain vedic suktas, Shatapatha Brahmana, Upanishads, Gita etc. comprises of around 80,000 pages and that consisting of thoughts on contemporary themes comprises of around 5,000 pages of which only about 10,000 pages have been published.
The most important part of his work is his bhaashya on the Shatapatha Brahmanam (SB). The reasons are rather obvious: Pt. Shiva Kumar Sharma of Benares had passed on the secret knowledge about lost vedic meanings to Pt. Madhisudan Ojha and taught him one kandika of the SB to illustrate the way. It is said that Pt. Ojha had the divine blessings of Kaameshwar in Kashi which guided him throughout his life and which is reflected in his works. At page 93 of his ?Aatmanivedan? of SB bhaashya (Prathama Kaanda, Prathama Khanda; V.S. 2015) Motilalji has mentioned that for 15 years without a break he had done his swaadhyaya under Ojhaji mainly on SB. At page 128, he has mentioned that the manuscript of his own bhaashya on SB has been completed in about 20,000 pages. In the chapter on ?Paaribhaashika Soochanaayen? of his SB bhashya (Prathama Kaanda, Prathama Khanda; V.S. 2015) he has mentioned in a footnote that from about 1932 onwards he had begun writing his bhashya on SB, which he could complete by 1940. If we consider the fact that Pt. Ojha passed away in 1940 and Motilalji completed his bhashya in 1940 itself, the significance of this work in bringing to light lost vedic knowledge, in the manner Motilalji learnt from his Guru, can never be underestimated.
Motilalji has referred to this manuscript in many of his published works. Thus in SB bhashya (Prathama Kaanda, Dvitiya Khanda; V.S. 2016) at page 680 he mentions that ? a more detailed discussion should be seen in the bhashya of ?Gavaamayana Satra (12th Kaanda)?.In his ?Aatmasvarupavijnaanopanishat?(that is, the first part of his work on ?Shraaddha Vijnaana?, published in VS 2010) he mentions at page 350 that detailed analysis should be seen in ?Pashvaalambhana prakarana? of SB bhashya. In his ?Bhaaratiya Hindu Maanava aur Uski Bhavukata?(Prathama Khanda, VS 2012) at page 286 he has mentioned that ?details have been discussed in bhashya on SB (refer to bhashya on SB Agnirahasyaatmaka 10th Kanda, 4th Prapaathaka, 1st Brahmana)?.
To date, bhashya on only the first four Kaandas of SB has been published. Bhashya on the remaining 10 Kaandas (5th to 14th ) including that on the Brhadaaranyakopanishat (a part of the 14th Kaanda) are yet in manuscript form only. I can only take this opportunity to invite your attention to this stupendous task of publishing the bhashya of the remaining Kaandas of SB in order to preserve the traditional knowledge passed from Teacher to pupil which was recorded on paper in the lifetime of the Guru itself.
Apart from the bhashya on the SB, Motilalji had completed the bhashyas on many of the important Upanishads. The bhasyas on Ishopanishad, Maandukyopanishad, Mundakopanishad, Kathopanishad, Kenopanishad and Prashnopanishad have been published so far. However, the bhasyas on Chhaandogyopanishad and Taittireeyopanishad are still in manuscript form (the bhasya on Brhadaaranyakopanishad, as mentioned earlier has also not been published). Motilalji has referred to these bhashyas at many places. For example, in SB bhashya (Prathama Kaanda, Dvitiya Khanda; V.S. 2016) at page 816 he mentions that ?detailed discussion should be seen in the bhashya of the second Prapaathaka i.e the Saama Prapaathaka in Chhaandogyopanishad Hindi Vijnaana Bhashya?. At page 1259 of the same work, he has mentioned that further details should be seen in the relevant prakarana of the Chhaandogyopanishad Hindi Vijnaana Bhashya. Similarly, at page 85 of the ?Prastaavanaa? of his work ?Dikdeshakaalasvaroopameemaamsaa? (V.S. 2015) Motilalji has mentioned that the scientific exposition of this shruti should be seen in Taittireeyopanishad Hindi Vijnaana Bhashya. Thus, his bhashyas on these important Upanishads also need publication.
Another significant contribution of Motilalji is his voluminous bhashya on Gita. Unfortunately, even in the case of this bhashya, only a small portion has been published. In the Prastaavanaa of ?Buddhiyoga Pariksha ? Purva Khanda? (V.S. 2013), he has mentioned at page 9 that this whole literature on Gita has been composed in about 20,000 pages of which only 3,000 could be published. In fact, he has also given the complete details of the different volumes of his bhashya on Gita in this work. In fact, apart from the ?Aitihasiko-dhyaaya? and ?Raajarshi Vidya – Prathama, Dvitiya, Trtiya Upanishat?, the remaining 24 volumes of the Hindi Vijnaana Bhashya on Gita have not been published. Of the Introductory volumes, the Buddhiyoga Pariksha ? Uttara Khanda? has not been published in full and the last volume of the Introductory volumes has not been published at all.
His long association with Pt. Ojha, who looked at him as his principle disciple, and his own precociousness resulted in many works which were based on Pt.Ojha?s literature. Some of these, for example, his work on Shraddha Vijnaana, have now been published in their entirety. But others still remain. In SB bhashya (Prathama Kaanda, Prathama Khanda; V.S. 2015; page 90) he has mentioned about his work ?Vedashastra Ke Saath Puranashastra Ka Samanvaya?. In SB bhashya (Prathama Kaanda, Dvitiya Khanda; V.S. 2016; pages 745, 821 and 888 respectively) he has mentioned about his works ?Manvantara Svarupa Parichaya?, ?Rishi Svarupa Parichaya? and ?Purana Rahasya?. In ?Aatmasvarupavijnaanopanishat? (Prastaavanaaa- page 107; page 277 respectively) he has mentioned about his works ?Pauranika Manvantara Rahasya? and ?Graha Vijnaana?. In ?Bhaaratiya Hindu Maanava aur Uski Bhavukata?(Prathama Khanda, page 284) he has mentioned about his work ?Bharatiya Aryasarvasya ka Svarupa Parichaya?. These important works have not been published yet.
I presume that now you are the custodian of his manuscripts. In the light of the fact that while Pt. Ojha?s work is currently being published by both Rajasthan Patrika and J.N. Vyas University, Jodhpur, Motilalji?s works are being relegated to oblivion. I can only hope that new efforts are made to publish his remaining works.
sanjay
I have expanded cosmological theories of Pt. Madhusudan Oha by explaining 7 yojanas, 7 yugas, and meaning of 9 ime units. Its summary is in my book-Sankhya-siddhanta-Nag Publishers, Delhi-110007, 2007.
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Ramana
I salute your father for being such a great human being.. very well articulated thoughts.. great!
ABDIKAM- By ramana
What is ?reality? ? This question every one ponders of course once in a while in their life time. But the other question is why we need to really care for reality. For me it is a simply personal reason,more than scientific quest , like millions of other normal people.
My parents were married when they were 13 and 15. I have four brothers and two sisters
We were all born in a small village in a two bed room shack with out electricity , with out running water with out a doctor . My father was a high school teacher for a small town making around Rs 200 per month. . It was a struggle but it is still dignified living in a small village for those times.,
My father?s quest for education and his passion for saving lives took a remarkable turn.
He took half our income from a teacher?s meager salary, amid
protests from my mother and started buying medical journals and medical books. Alas! I can not imagine my poor mother?s struggle feeding 8 people with already struggling situation.
After 15 years of his self taught education in medical journals and books became part time physician for village people, who never seen a doctor in their lives.
During his life time he saved countless lives and inspired and
taught so many students, who eventually became doctors from that village. Because of his direct effect ,several hundred became physicians out of that village, serving the communities around the world including United States and Europe. .
My brothers and sisters did not become Bill Gates or Ambani
, but got great education and took us remarkable a journey
from rural parts of India to the entire world. Both my father and mother passed away now, but my father died all of sudden in an accident .I have not seen my father for years as I was getting settled in foregin land, I could not able to see his body and was cremated quickly according to our customs.
I could not able to say good bye .Alas I wanted to say one last good bye at least, to his great soul but could not make it.
Every year I go to a Hindu temple on my father?s
Anniversary day and do a special religious ceremony. It is more of religious tradition than anything for most people who do this ceremony. It takes place usually on temple grounds.
The priests starts chanting hymns in Sanskrit ( which I have zero understanding- 99.999% Hindus do not speak or understand this language. Unfortunately most of the priests also do not understand
the meaning except chanting) ) It is only limited to very few
Priests and religious scholars. The tradition includes , a mechanical routine , you are standing up and sitting down and pouring water with some seeds along with food on a plate while priest chanting some hymns . Most of the priests also have no clue, what these all mean.
Most of the priests chant some thing and they make three rings with some back yard plant strings , water , some food and color.
It is absolutely seems to be kind of boring and silly except
remembering my father on that day.
I almost continued this saga with out great interest for almost 12 years. Every time I ask a preacher what this all mean , they mumble some thing and reiterate this is tradition and you do it. At least it made rest of my of family happy! That it self is ok with me to participate and continue that tradition .
But it is all changed few years ago about my view on this
tradition. My original priest was sick on that day and they assigned me this new priest. Some thing about him I feel different. He chanted hymns with confidence and elegance. He explained the traditions and meaning of this Sanskrit hymns and procedures with amazing details, looks like as some of that are straight, coming from the pages of the book ? Warped Passages: Unraveling the
Mysteries of the Universe?s Hidden Dimensions? By Lisa Randall.. .
I assure you this priest has hardly any formal elementary
education let alone physics.
He says those small rings are hidden extra. dimensions . he is invoking with hymns my father?s soul to come and sit in that ring with hidden dimensions along with other Gods. My father?s soul is sitting in that dimension and is enjoying my offering, food and water. Every year for my father?s soul is one year for us. So in my father?s zone I am giving him food and water everyday. This Tradition in Hindu religion is called ?ABDIKAM?
It may look silly for some people , but I remember when Dr.Lisa Randall ( professor, theoretical Physicist at Harvard) ) and Ramana sundaram( research Fellow, Harvard) introduced these higher dimensions concept , some scientists ridiculed them. .Now the silly
theoretical conclusion is one of the top experiments that will be conducted at Hadron Collider in Switzerland
But my search for truth continues in finding that higher dimension and say one more last good bye to my beloved father and say how remarkable man he was. It may be physics, or philosophy or both that achieve that goal!! My silly desire does not look as stupid as some people think, and my education in physics and that Gandhi clad
priest?s Sanskrit hymns from that temple, gave me some glimmering hope.
What ever the differences we have , and what ever we think the truth ought to be , we as knowledge and truth seekers from this group ,
various groups like this , we have the front seats for that GOD?s spectacular show .
That it self is blessing in my view.
RAJU
By the way Anirudh, Thnk you for your information. I am still digesting..
ABDIKAM- By ramana
What is ?reality? ? This question every one ponders of course once in a while in their life time. But the other question is why we need to really care for reality. For me it is a simply personal reason,more than scientific quest , like millions of other normal people.
My parents were married when they were 13 and 15. I have four brothers and two sisters
We were all born in a small village in a two bed room shack with out electricity , with out running water with out a doctor . My father was a high school teacher for a small town making around Rs 200 per month. . It was a struggle but it is still dignified living in a small village for those times.,
My father?s quest for education and his passion for saving lives took a remarkable turn.
He took half our income from a teacher?s meager salary, amid
protests from my mother and started buying medical journals and medical books. Alas! I can not imagine my poor mother?s struggle feeding 8 people with already struggling situation.
After 15 years of his self taught education in medical journals and books became part time physician for village people, who never seen a doctor in their lives.
During his life time he saved countless lives and inspired and
taught so many students, who eventually became doctors from that village. Because of his direct effect ,several hundred became physicians out of that village, serving the communities around the world including United States and Europe. .
My brothers and sisters did not become Bill Gates or Ambani
, but got great education and took us remarkable a journey
from rural parts of India to the entire world. Both my father and mother passed away now, but my father died all of sudden in an accident .I have not seen my father for years as I was getting settled in foregin land, I could not able to see his body and was cremated quickly according to our customs.
I could not able to say good bye .Alas I wanted to say one last good bye at least, to his great soul but could not make it.
Every year I go to a Hindu temple on my father?s
Anniversary day and do a special religious ceremony. It is more of religious tradition than anything for most people who do this ceremony. It takes place usually on temple grounds.
The priests starts chanting hymns in Sanskrit ( which I have zero understanding- 99.999% Hindus do not speak or understand this language. Unfortunately most of the priests also do not understand
the meaning except chanting) ) It is only limited to very few
Priests and religious scholars. The tradition includes , a mechanical routine , you are standing up and sitting down and pouring water with some seeds along with food on a plate while priest chanting some hymns . Most of the priests also have no clue, what these all mean.
Most of the priests chant some thing and they make three rings with some back yard plant strings , water , some food and color.
It is absolutely seems to be kind of boring and silly except
remembering my father on that day.
I almost continued this saga with out great interest for almost 12 years. Every time I ask a preacher what this all mean , they mumble some thing and reiterate this is tradition and you do it. At least it made rest of my of family happy! That it self is ok with me to participate and continue that tradition .
But it is all changed few years ago about my view on this
tradition. My original priest was sick on that day and they assigned me this new priest. Some thing about him I feel different. He chanted hymns with confidence and elegance. He explained the traditions and meaning of this Sanskrit hymns and procedures with amazing details, looks like as some of that are straight, coming from the pages of the book ? Warped Passages: Unraveling the
Mysteries of the Universe?s Hidden Dimensions? By Lisa Randall.. .
I assure you this priest has hardly any formal elementary
education let alone physics.
He says those small rings are hidden extra. dimensions . he is invoking with hymns my father?s soul to come and sit in that ring with hidden dimensions along with other Gods. My father?s soul is sitting in that dimension and is enjoying my offering, food and water. Every year for my father?s soul is one year for us. So in my father?s zone I am giving him food and water everyday. This Tradition in Hindu religion is called ?ABDIKAM?
It may look silly for some people , but I remember when Dr.Lisa Randall ( professor, theoretical Physicist at Harvard) ) and Ramana sundaram( research Fellow, Harvard) introduced these higher dimensions concept , some scientists ridiculed them. .Now the silly
theoretical conclusion is one of the top experiments that will be conducted at Hadron Collider in Switzerland
But my search for truth continues in finding that higher dimension and say one more last good bye to my beloved father and say how remarkable man he was. It may be physics, or philosophy or both that achieve that goal!! My silly desire does not look as stupid as some people think, and my education in physics and that Gandhi clad
priest?s Sanskrit hymns from that temple, gave me some glimmering hope.
What ever the differences we have , and what ever we think the truth ought to be , we as knowledge and truth seekers from this group ,
various groups like this , we have the front seats for that GOD?s spectacular show .
That it self is blessing in my view.
RAJU
What is “”reality”” ? This question every one ponders of course once in a while in their life time. But the other question is why we need to really care for reality. For me it is a simply personal reason,more than scientific quest , like millions of other normal people.
My parents were married when they were 13 and 15. I have four brothers and two sisters
We were all born in a small village in a two bed room shack with out electricity , with out running water with out a doctor . My father was a high school teacher for a small town making around Rs 200 per month. . It was a struggle but it is still dignified living in a small village for those times.,
My father’s quest for education and his passion for saving lives took a remarkable turn.
He took half our income from a teacher’s meager salary, amid
protests from my mother and started buying medical journals and medical books. Alas! I can not imagine my poor mother’s struggle feeding 8 people with already struggling situation.
After 15 years of his self taught education in medical journals and books became part time physician for village people, who never seen a doctor in their lives.
During his life time he saved countless lives and inspired and
taught so many students, who eventually became doctors from that village. Because of his direct effect ,several hundred became physicians out of that village, serving the communities around the world including United States and Europe. .
My brothers and sisters did not become Bill Gates or Ambani
, but got great education and took us remarkable a journey
from rural parts of India to the entire world. Both my father and mother passed away now, but my father died all of sudden in an accident .I have not seen my father for years as I was getting settled in foregin land, I could not able to see his body and was cremated quickly according to our customs.
I could not able to say good bye .Alas I wanted to say one last good bye at least, to his great soul but could not make it.
Every year I go to a Hindu temple on my father’s
Anniversary day and do a special religious ceremony. It is more of religious tradition than anything for most people who do this ceremony. It takes place usually on temple grounds.
The priests starts chanting hymns in Sanskrit ( which I have zero understanding- 99.999% Hindus do not speak or understand this language. Unfortunately most of the priests also do not understand
the meaning except chanting) ) It is only limited to very few
Priests and religious scholars. The tradition includes , a mechanical routine , you are standing up and sitting down and pouring water with some seeds along with food on a plate while priest chanting some hymns . Most of the priests also have no clue, what these all mean.
Most of the priests chant some thing and they make three rings with some back yard plant strings , water , some food and color.
It is absolutely seems to be kind of boring and silly except
remembering my father on that day.
I almost continued this saga with out great interest for almost 12 years. Every time I ask a preacher what this all mean , they mumble some thing and reiterate this is tradition and you do it. At least it made rest of my of family happy! That it self is ok with me to participate and continue that tradition .
But it is all changed few years ago about my view on this
tradition. My original priest was sick on that day and they assigned me this new priest. Some thing about him I feel different. He chanted hymns with confidence and elegance. He explained the traditions and meaning of this Sanskrit hymns and procedures with amazing details, looks like as some of that are straight, coming from the pages of the book “” Warped Passages: Unraveling the
Mysteries of the Universe’s Hidden Dimensions”” By Lisa Randall.. .
I assure you this priest has hardly any formal elementary
education let alone physics.
He says those small rings are hidden extra. dimensions . he is invoking with hymns my father’s soul to come and sit in that ring with hidden dimensions along with other Gods. My father’s soul is sitting in that dimension and is enjoying my offering, food and water. Every year for my father’s soul is one year for us. So in my father’s zone I am giving him food and water everyday. This Tradition in Hindu religion is called “”ABDIKAM””
It may look silly for some people , but I remember when Dr.Lisa Randall ( professor, theoretical Physicist at Harvard) ) and Ramana sundaram( research Fellow, Harvard) introduced these higher dimensions concept , some scientists ridiculed them. .Now the silly
theoretical conclusion is one of the top experiments that will be conducted at Hadron Collider in Switzerland
But my search for truth continues in finding that higher dimension and say one more last good bye to my beloved father and say how remarkable man he was. It may be physics, or philosophy or both that achieve that goal!! My silly desire does not look as stupid as some people think, and my education in physics and that Gandhi clad
priest’s Sanskrit hymns from that temple, gave me some glimmering hope.
What ever the differences we have , and what ever we think the truth ought to be , we as knowledge and truth seekers from this group ,
various groups like this , we have the front seats for that GOD’s spectacular show .
That it self is blessing in my view.
RAJU
The thoughts above have been inspired from and Dedicated to the guru of my great grandfather: Vidhya-Vachaspati Swargiya Pdt. Madhusudhan Ojha?s Vigyan Drishti. And also to my great grandfather: Veda-Vachaspati Pdt. Motilalji Shastri’s Hindi Bashya’s (1908-1960).
I belong to the direct lineage of Rishi Bhardwaj & Rishi Angiras and currently do research with ?Rajasthan Vedic Tatva Shodh Sansthan?, Jaipur.
Dearest Ramana / Gurudev
I am heartly ashamed for being so late in attending to your interests.
More about Prajapati…..
Imagine the entirety in its fullest, although its impossible. But we can try to understand the concept. The entirety of the cosmos is in its cradle an ocean full of energy called Rasa. This form of the cosmos is termed as Nirveshesha Brahma, that which is unkown.
Rishi Bhardwaj once reached cosmic layer of existence where he united with infinity and there was nothing left unexplained. He remained in his bhoota sphere to complete some chores to a group of students. In the night his wife asked him,””Oh wisdom full divinity, what is that beyond the spirit you have reached, how is the world beyond tha Rasa, who created it and who governs it.”” Rishi replied,””Hey Saraswati Swaroop, it was just me all along. The realisation of oneness came swiftly. Please do not dare to ask me who is beyond the Brahma that is Nirveshasha, I might break your head with this stone. Parbrahma Nirveshesha astu Neti Neti Neti Neti…..””
It simply means that the ocean of Nirveshasha is full of Rasa. There is no movement in it, yet everything gets created in it. No creation can take place without stability [So much for your theory of Big Bang]. There is no end to it, no end, no end, no end…..
There are 18 Balas that get created in that Rasa due to immense concentration. Out of them Mahamaya is the most prominent. Mahamaya is like a serpeant that keeps engulfing the Rasa sphere. Whenever that bala encircles the Rasa, it creates a spherical limitation for a time period before opening again. The entire universe gets created within that duration and ends in a moment at that point. But for us it seems like billions of years. This region is known as ‘Shodsi Prajapati’. This prajapati in under constant influence of mahamaya incessantly and thus 16 Kala’s or forces get created.
The first at the level of Awyaya which is the kala-less swaroop of Prajapati and just a furnace filled with rasa exists. Once the Kalas are created which are of: Brahma, Vishnu, Indra, Soma and agni. Because there is a limit to the Rasa, it has a centre and as soon as that centre gets prominent there starts the process of ‘Hridayam’. Please pay attention to this, as it is the most significant learning of creation. ‘Hri’ means that which comes in, ‘Da’ means that which goes out and Yam means the portion which remains in the centre. The material that travels is just Rasa. The word hridaya or heart comes from the same concept. It has the same function. Brahma, Vishnu, Indra, Soma and agni Kala’s get created here. All these five forces have different ratio at different space of intermingling and invariably one is prominent at one time. The precise count is of about 45%-50% according to the great Rishi Aitreya. Depending on the one which is prominent other Kala’s get created.
At the Brahma portion or the centre of this Akshara Purusha, there is prominence of Rasa which is Ananda swaroop or mere Bliss. The Vishnu effect is of Rasa coming in but not staying so the prominence is of Vigyan. Indra moves out the Rasa and thus creating Mana. Agni is Pran swaroop and Soma is Wak swaroop.
The same process repeats itself at various layers of five Kshara Purusha with: Pranah-Aapah-Wak-Anna-Annaada, who is a refined form of the above and Martya swaroop. The five layers of creation of Kshara Purusha are Swayambhu-Parmesthi-Surya-Prithvi-Chandrama.
We hear of the string theory a lot these days which is nothing but the ‘Shabda’ energy or force out of the five of Roop-Rasa-Gandha-Sparsha-Shabda. This shabda is a vibration that flows from Parmeshthi mandala into all universe and is the reason for sound, movement, attraction and activity. It is of the billionth of the size of the atom and is all pervading. Any jeeva prana that travels on Shabda can reach to any place in universe in a split second. I think I am digressing a little here.
Another point is that there is no luminosity in the Surya or Sun. In the initial condition Surya is Krishna-Varna (Sun is black in color). The growth or expansion of the Aamukh Bhaag of the Agni Mandala towards Surya is famous as ?Bhu-Bhuvah-Swavah? in the ciphered language. From the centre of ?Prithvi? to Surya the distance has been explained in terms of Stomas or Aharganas. After the first 3 Stomas of the Bhu-Pinda the Agni Mandala develops from 6 Stoma to 9 Stoma. Vayu Mandala develops from 9 Stoma to 15 Stoma and Aditya develops from 15 stoma to 21 stoma. Surya is located at the 21st Stoma. The Agni that develops from prithvi to Surya, becomes lighter as it rises. This gets divided into three parts. The Ghanagni in the ?Bhu? part is known as ?Agri?. The Taralagni in the Bhuvah part is termed as ?Vayu? and the Viralagni in the Swavah part is termed as ?Aditya?. Further ahead, the Agni of Agni Mandala gets divided into 8 parts as Vasu, Vayu Mandala?s Vayu into 11 parts as ?Rudra? and Aditya Mandal?s Aditya into 12 parts as ?Aditya?. Thus, these 8 Vasu?s, 11 Rudra?s, 12 Aditya?s, 1 Dasra Sandhya and 1 Naasatya Sandhya devatas or energies are together called as the 33 Devatas. The notion that there are 33 crore devatas is a fallacy. They are of 33 types. It is to be known here that ?Aapomaya? or in the form of Aap, the Rakshasa Prana?s of Parmesthi are thrice in number then devatas and thus are 99. The existence of 3 rakshasas with 1 devata is a natural phenomenon. The disturbance in the number of these rakshasas and devatas is the only reason for illness. The balance in number can be easily maintained through Pranayam.
The continuous friction between above mentioned Agni-Vayu-Aditya creates a fourth agni which is termed as ?Vaishwanar?. This Vaishwanar has the heat function. It enters the Surya and burns the flammable Soma coming from Parmeshthi. As a result, the ruler of luminosity ?Indra? gets manifested. This Indra (In the form of Rays) illuminates the entire space and hence Life-Cycle begins. The Agni that moves from Prithvi to Surya is called as ?Gayatri-Agni? (Pronounced as Gayatraagni) and the agni moving from Surya to Earth is termed as ?Savitra-Agni? (Pronounced as Saavitraagni). This Gayatri originating from Prithvi and Savitri originating from Surya collide again to re-originate Agni Veda. The centre of Prithvi is ?Rik?, middle portion is the Prana-form ?Yaju? and the land surface is its ?Sam?. This is the situation, as far as Pinda form is concerned. The same expands above as Agni-Vayu-Aditya Mandala?s. Again, Agni Mandala ?Rik?, Vayu Mandala ?Yaju? and Aditya Mandala is ?Sam?. The Rik Tattva gets divided into 21 parts, Yaju into 101 parts and Sam into 1000 parts. The total number becomes 1122. If we add the 9 Atharva Veda then this total number of Veda Tattva?s becomes 1131. Based on this number only, the Rishis have written 1131 Veda Grantha?s. Unfortunately today only 4-5 [Rig, Yajur. Sama, Atharva] branches of Veda Grantha?s are available. Might also be beneficial to tell you that 3 more planets will come out of Sun before the gayatraagni of prthvi exhuasts.
It is important to understand that the Organization of ?Ishwara? also, gets developed in between Earth and Sun amongst Agni-Vayu-Aditya. It has been stated about ?Ishvara? that, ?Vaishwanara-Hiranyagarbha-Sarvagyaha Eshaha Ishwarah?. Thus, Agni part is known as ?Vaishwanar?, Vayu part as ?Hiranya-garbha? and Aditya part as ?Sarvagya?. This alone is ?Sarvabhootantaratma?. This alone is the cradle of all ?Jeeva? or Being organization. Just Vaishwanar is related to ?Asangya Srishti? or conscious-less part within which all materials or ?Bhoot Padartha? are inculcated. The Hiranyagrabha, located within Vaishwanara is creator of all semi-conscious or ?Antaha Sangya? part and includes all vegetation. The Sarvagya, located within Vaishwanar-Hiranyagarbha is the progenitor of all conscious or ?Sangya Srishti? part and includes Humans, Animals, Birds, Aqua etc. It is only because of Sarvagya, that an individual is rendered mobility. If Sarvagya gets developed in trees, they could easily walk and run. These three energies of Vaishwanar-Hiranyagarbha-Sarvagya get manifested in the ?Jeeva? or being in the form of ?Vaishwanar-Tejas-Pragya?. The force that is there in the Ishvara Organization is also there in the Jeeva Organization, just the name is different. That is an whole, the Jeeva is its component. The ruler of all Jeev Organization is the same ?Vaishwanra-Hiranyagarbha-Sarvagya? Ishvara. The respected seer of Shirdi, Param Shraddheya Shri Sai Baba has rightly said, ?Sabka Malik Ek?, or The lord of all is one.
The Rasa and Bala pervading endless sphere of ?Parameshwara? has been termed as ?Mahavana?. Within this ?Mahavana? the ?Shodhsi Parajapati?, equipped with the 16 Kala?s created by Mahamaya?s incessant action is like the endless forest. We are related to one huge tree of this forest which is known as ?Maheshwara Prajapati? who is inculcated with the three phenomenons of ?Avwyaya, Kshara and Akshara?. The universe is made from the five Pinda?s and their Mandala?s summed up as, ?Swayambhu, Parmeshthi, Surya, Prithvi and Chandrama?. The lord in this Universe is called as Vishweshwara organization. This alone has been termed as Lord Krishna?s ?Viraat Swaroop?. The part of Vaishwanar came to be known as ?Sahastra-pad? or thousand legs, part of Hiranyagarbha as ?Sahastra-Aksh? or thousand hands and part of ?Sarvagya? as ?Sahastra-shirsha? or thousand heads. This ?Viraat Purusha? alone, is ?Sarwabhootantaratma?.
Shodhshi-form Maheshwara?s Avwaya is the Atma of all Universes. This alone is ?Paramatma? and is non-destructible. It is all pervading and is free from life and death. The Atma related to Swayambhu is called as ?Shantatma?, Parmeshthi?s ?Mahanatma?, Surya?s ?Vigyanatma? or Buddhi, Chadrama?s ?Prgyanatma? or Mana and that of Prithvi is termed as ?Bhootama?. Vaishwanar is the creator of material, Hiranyagrabha is creator of Action and Sarvagya is the creator of Gyan or Consciousness. Thus, the three together form the ?Karmatma?. This is the brief ?Srishthi-Chakra? or Cosmic-Cycle where, Ishwara Prajapati is called as ?Sakhshi-supurna? or visualizing entity and the beings related to him are called as ?Bhokta-Sudharna? or the experiencing entities.
The humanity will not even find tears when they realize the treasure they have detroyed and made themselves orphaned. I hope someday we can raise up to the task and start owning what is ours. This mirraculous land of Bharatavarsha, has given to the humanity a path to reach its goal, the Veda Shastra which have only been neglected for the past 3,000 years. I find difficult to identify myself among my people, as to this disgraceful generation of youth, the search of cultural divinity will begin and die in this Tapobhoomi of Rishi’s….
Dva Supurna Sayuja Sakhaya Smaanamam Vriksham Parish-Svajate |
Tayoranyaha Pippalam Sva-Dvatti, Anshnannanyo-Abhivakshiti ||
(Mundakopnishad-3/1/1)
Great Anirudh!
Amazing description. Thanks a lot for that :)
Mr.sharma,
could you assist me and explain in the following topics
1) ABDIKAM ( Shardah) ceremony
2) role of Narada ( Eternal)
Thank you sir
Thank you Mr.Sharma,
Exteremly interesting. You are touching most advanced theories of Physics.Here I need further explantions if possible on the comments you made.
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1)””This Prajapati takes birth on the surface of Rasa and Bala.””
This may have some relavance in physics..The creation on “”surface””
2) “”Each individual constructs a system around it self””
This is one of the quantum mechanical intrepetations
If you undersand the most advanced theories of physics ,
you see the greatness of Hindu Vedas and scriptures , just even in the scientific point of view.
Thank you again bringing your knowledge in this area
Ramana
The universe that we can percieve is called as Prajapati. The explanation of this will come later. In a brief, this Prajapati takes birth on the surface of Rasa and Bala. Bala is actually a manifestation of Rasa that is in action form. If we just say Rasa, then we are talking about Nirveshesha Brahma who is unknowable. When this Bala enfolds Rasa in itself and limitizes Bala, the Prajapati gets born. We can imagine a bubble of air surrounded by water. Such Prajapati’s keep forming and destroying in that endless ocean of Rasa. In the initial state it is just Awyaya. The other two individual’s that get created due to incessant overlapping of earlier’s Kala’s into each other, are termed as Khshara and Akshara. What we call as Param-Brahma is actually a derivative of Awvyaya and Kshara.
That Akshara-Brahma, which having a central-appearance, self-originates in the womb of Jagada-Janani Mahamaya, and thus grants five Kala?s to a nishkal Awyaya thereby making it sakala is known as Param-Brahma.
The five Brahma Kala?s known are: –
Akshara-Brahma [Brahma-Vishnu-Indra-Agni-Soma] and Param-Brahma [Ananda-Vigyan-Mana-Pran-Wak]
The Brahma-Vishnu-Indra fusion is known as ?Antaryami? and that of Agni-Soma is known as ?Sootra-atma?. Later on, the Kshara creation takes place. Kshara?s also have five Kala?s namely, Pranah-Aapah-Wak-Anna-Annaada. The incessant inter-mingling of these five energies is the reason for creation of the five Bhoota?s namely, Prithvi-Jal-Tej-Vayu-Akash. These Bhoota?s become the reason for creation of the system of Swayambhu-Parmesthi-Surya-Prithvi-Chandrama.
Every individual constructs a system around itself into the distant space, because of the rays generated by centrally established energy. The ?Pinda? or individual is ?Martya? and its ?Mandala? or system is called ?Amrit?. The Swayambhu Mandala is called as ?Brahma-nishvasita Veda?. The Parmesthi (Which is the form of Aapah) Mandala is called as ?Brahma-shvedaveda?. Surya Mandala (Also famous as Saur-mandal, Solar-System) is called ?Gayatri-mantric Veda?. The Chandra Mandala is called as ?Somaveda?. Prithvi Mandala is called as ?Yagyamantric Veda?.
This is a brief introduction to the systemized formulation of the Tattva Veda’s, the basis of cosmic creation.
Anirudh,
Absolutely wonderful. It occured to me there is some relation between Agni and Soma in science. Let me compare Agni and soma with two basic forces .Soma is the force is pulling towards the center is compare to gravitational force and Agni the force that pushes away from the center and is believed to be dark energy.( anti matter)
scientists believe the two forces is deciding our fate which is gravitational force , dark energy force
Please keep writing..Thank you
The foremost Fundamental Veda?s [please percieve as Tattva or elements and not books] for creation of Cosmos are known as ?Agni-Soma?. We may also call them separately as Agni Veda and Soma Veda. The word ?Agni? is from symbolic language, whereas in the fundamental language the same word is ?Agri?.
There are only two fundamental tattva?s in Universe. One of them will always reach outwards (Towards the perimeter) from centre due to its nature and thus, is known as ?Agri?. The other one will always try to reach inwards towards the center from the perimeter, and thus comes to be known as ?Soma?. So, Agni and Soma are the ONLY two basic Veda?s. Within the five-fold Universe [As we know it] of Swayambhu-Parmesthi-Surya-Prithvi-Chandrama, Agni is present in Swayambhu-Surya-Prithvi and Soma is present in Parmeshthi-Chandrama. You, me and whatever we see within this Universe is all made of Agni-Soma in its basis. This is evident in, ?Agni-Somaatmakam Jagata?. This means, All Universe is of the form of Agni and Soma.
This Agni is present in different bodies in different capacities. And thus, it has different property, function and name depending within each body:-
? The Agni of Swayambhu is called as ?Brahma-Agni? (Pronounce as Brahmmaagni)
? The Agni of Surya is called as ?Deva-Agni? (Pronounce as Devaagni)
? The Agni of Prithvi is called as ?Bhoota-Agni? (pronounce as Bhootaagni)
The above variants of Agni?s do not have any sort of heat function. The heat function is created in the name of ?Vaishwanar? as the fourth Agni?s due to friction between the forces of Agni-Vayu-Aditya. This heat is present in every living-being as the sound of heart beat.
Kindly, Let me know if things are clear till now…
Very well said ursri!
Really wonderful information Anirudh! It has opened a new door for more information :) Would love to know more and more!
Great post again Ramana! Neat summarization of q mech. That was a wonderful quote by Robert Jastrow.
As I keep repeating, if we today in just a span of 3-4 centuries can achieve so much in terms of science and technology, one can imagine how much progress both in terms of material as well as spiritual sciences would have been done by the vedic people over a period of thousands of years!
The realities of “”Reality”” By Ramana
quantum Mechanics defied common sense, shattered the classical notion of “”time””, “”space””, energy and matter.
The pioneers of quantum mechanics came up with several interpretations of the ultimate reality .Tried to describe Brahma, ultimate truth through scientific terms.
Here some of those:
Note ( Q.R Abbreviation for Quantum Reality)
The description between these brackets are Hindu version of interpretation.
Q.R #1 : Copenhagen Interpretation Part- I ?
There is no deep reality
Moon is not there when nobody is looking at it.
Q.R. #2 : Copenhagen Interpretation Part- 2
Observation creates reality
You create your own reality
Note: Q.R #1 and Q.R #2 are most famous and most accepted by scientists.
Quantum mechanics founders , Niels Bohr , Werner Heisenberg ,Wolfgang Pauli came up with this interpretation amid protests from Albert Einstein and other old timers.
Let me explain you in detail about those two interpretations. If you cut your finger you observe a biological piece of your body. If you observe under microscope you see cells in your body.
If you further observe cells , you can observe some of the parts of the cell through microscope like Mitochondria etc. Now if you are lucky , by tunneling you may see atoms ( not parts in atom) by using scanning microscope ..Now you want to look at part of the atom an electron spinning around nucleus , it gets interesting. We can not observe directly any parts of the atom. We have to deduct through reasoning and indirect observation through some detection system.
The magic begins now. If you do NOT care to observe the electron , the electron diffuses and spreads across the entire universe. There is mathematical function that describes this diffusion is called psi function . The electron that made up your body is not there. Poof ..you are gone. .If nobody is looking at you, you do not exist. Now some one trying to look at you or looking for you , then the electron collapses and assumes one of the positions in your body as a particle ( matter)
As bizarre it sounds that is the scientific explanation of quantum reality.
This most accepted and celebrated interpretation of the reality. It is called Copenhagen interpretation.
Q.R # 3: “”Reality in an undivided wholeness””
This is my favorite one.
This is where the subject of ?consciousness? comes in physics.
David Bohm is a quantum pioneer, a prodigy of Albert Einstein was born in United states. In my view he is one of the under appreciated and under admired physicist. , He was arrested for his political activism by the country that teaches the human rights, ignored his rights and sent him packing to Great Britain,. He believes the science is the perceptual enterprise. He wrote an appendix about perception? to Special theory of relativity.
He believes that we humans and our brains are conditioned to believe in the fragmented parts
Quantum entangled particles are not two different particles but they are one and the same with two different perceptions. He believes the observer and the observed are the same. It is part of the wholeness and the flow of consciousness. He is the first one who introduced concept of consciousness in to physics through his book ?wholeness-Implicate order?.
In his quest to discover or attain the consciousness , David Bohm met an Indian spiritual leader and Philosopher through his English wife. His name is Jiddu Krishnamurthy..
Jiddu Krishna Murthy ( Now they refer him with simple abbreviation ?JK) was born into Telugu Brahmin family in India ( madanpally, AP) in 1895. By the way his home town is not far from my home town ( Bhimavaram, AP) .He was groomed to be a leader for a Theosophical Society but later he disengaged with the society and detested any kind of teaching through Gurus and Preachers.
This is the following exceprt from JK wikipeda worth mentioning here
?You may remember the story of how the devil and a friend of his were walking down the street, when they saw ahead of them a man stoop down and pick up something from the ground, look at it, and put it away in his pocket. The friend said to the devil, ‘What did that man pick up?’ ‘He picked up a piece of the truth,’ said the devil. ‘That is a very bad business for you, then,’ said his friend. ‘Oh, not at all,’ the devil replied, ‘I am going to help him organize it.’ I maintain that truth is a pathless land, and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. That is my point of view, and I adhere to that absolutely and unconditionally. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or coerce people along a particular path?
It struck major chord with David Bohm , ?The Truth is pathless land ? reminds the quantum mechanical behavior of particle that there is no definite path in the past or future for the particle.
A long and historical conversation was started between the two and authored couple of books together.
To go and see beyond the pathless land Jiddu Krishnamurthy (JK) introduced a technique called ?Mediation? . Mediation real meaning is to measure or reflect .
JK believes the thought process it self is corrupt and maligned , and you can only feel your self ,the realization of wholeness or flow of consciousness through the process of mediation.
This realization can not be explained or taught except feel that flow of consciousness.
David Bohm and JK believed the Reality is an undivided wholeness.
Q.R #4 Reality consist of steadily increasing number
of parallel universes
( Multiverse)
Myriads of universes are created upon measurement
If you flip the coin all the out comes occur
in parallel universes.
Q.R #5 The world obeys the non Human reasoning.
Language is the embedded in the problem.
We do not understand reality like,
dogs do not understand Quantum Mechanics
Q.R #6 The world exists with or with out observation.
The tree is there if you watch or not
Q. R # 7 Consciousness create Reality
Content of the consciousness is ultimate reality
Q. R #8 The world is two fold consist of Potentials and
actualities.
If observation creates reality what does create
this reality out of?
Created from nothingness?
Heisenburg unmeasured world is nothing
sorry , Mr sharma is supposed to go at the top
Your post is certainly interesting. Could you please elaborate on the concepts of Brahma. How do you attain the “”Vigyan”” you frequently referred to.
The advance theories of physics is forced to deal with new concepts like consciousness, Maya, illusion and omni presence. I believe the Hindu philosophy and scriptures can show some insight in to those and its inner workings.
Gurudev, I agree with you some extent your description of wholeness.
Here is the quote I like
“” For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of
reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains
of ignorance; he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls
himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians
who have been sitting there for centuries.””
Robert Jastrow -Former Director of NASA
Mr.sharma,
Dear Gurudev,
I was thinking of sharing some information with you on Vedic Srishti Vigyan. I suggest you to start a thread with that name, so that everybody could benefit from it.
The concept of Brahma is not well understood by many. The creation of the cosmos through the energies of Rasa & Bala is a rarely known yet a well establsihed truth by Vedic Seers.
The word science I would refrain from using, as it is simply not vigyan. To digress a little, I would like to establish this fact with objectivity.
The Veda that we know today are merely shabda veda. The root of shabda veda are tattva veda which are primordial energy behind all creation. Just like book on anatomy is not anatomy, veda grantha are study of the tattva veda and not the veda themselves. What we are perceiving as books of dharma (religion as people wrongly interpret) are actually completely Vigyanatmak (Not to be read as Scientific). Out of many sciences in Veda Vigyan, material sciance or Padartha Vigyan is what we study in modern science. Science and Vigyan are completely different. The 108 elements that we study have been termed as Yogic (effect) rather than Maulic (cause). The study of infinite from one maulic tattva is called Vigyan. Please do not confuse anything with Vidya, which is a totally different topic of discussion.
I hope true learners will always remember, “”Vividham Gyanam Vigyanam – Ekasya Janam Gyanam””
Which I have tried to translate with great fear of losing exactness. Because English construct in our mind is an incapable mediuim.
“”Gyan (A level between knowledge, awareness and conciousness) of Vividham (Various) is called Vigyan (Vi + Gyan) – Knowing singularity is just Gyan (The first step).
Again for astronomy, one need to know mathematics, nyayangas-laws, in order to express deduced equation, one must be good at grammer.. so linguistics so on and so forth etc… thus vedic education made 64 kind of arts compulsory to all disciple with stipulated (normally 12.5 yrs) course duration but allowed them to specialize in subject of interest. Thus the graduated student was aware of all subjects/areas concenred to day to day activities without a need to depend on greedy professional (as found today). He was very well equipped to advance field of interest to contribute to the society- A HIGHER PURPOSE OF EDUCATION while taking care of family with least effort.
What a coincidence.
Thought about same subject on difference btwn so called modern and Vedic science couple of days back.
First thought,
Vedic science deals with difference disciplines which are interlinked. Lets take medicine is linked with astronomy, astrology, psychology, music aroma therapies, generics, food habits, arts , financial independence for better peace(psychology), related all knowledge including daily routine habits for individual health for family, society stability in terms of commerce and military. Thus achieving macro level goal with collective micro level success.
If we look at the modern science everything is specialized and the specialists are unable to answer most of the puzzles in their respective fields. They relay on senses and instruments which provides a minute atomic view of the Entire Knowledge.
Second thought
Modern science is relative Vedic is absolute
Vedic science and commentaries where independent of kings or rulers. They just supported and encouraged but fact where indenpendent of any dynasty or monarch unlike the experients in modern days are funded and supported by selfcentered ppl/hooligans.
Vedic experiments believes in and athenticate the result only if the right knower with right intension carires , right process of experiment. So it is more objective + right subjects rather than just subejctivity of results in modern science.
Need of hour is Modern scientists shift the paradigm of finding facts for materialist to spiritual interests ? better human conditions. There wouldn?t be any more puzzles.