Age of the Universe in ancient Indian texts

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Point to note, first of all, good efforts, however, you did one mistake while concluding the age of the universe, we are into 28 maha yuga and have completed 27. However, you have multiplied it by 28, whether it should be like this…
50 Universal years + 6 Manvantaras + 7 Sandhi kaala + 27 Mahayuga + 1 Satyuga+ 1 tretayuga+ 1 dwaparayuga+ 5112 years of Kaliyuga
50 Universal Years = 8.64 x 30 x 12 x 50 billion years = 155, 520 billion years

6 Manvantaras = 6 x 306.72 million years = 1,840.32 million years

7 Sandhi Kaala = 7 x 1.728 million years = 12.096 million years

28 Mahayuga = 27 x 4.32 million years = 116.64 million years
and the current maha yuga time passed = 1.728+1.296+.864+.005=3.898 million years

So the age of the Universe as per ancient Vedic texts is 155.52 trillion years!
Hare Krishna….
check reference….with quotes from Vedic Texts..
http://www.harekrsna.com/sun/editorials/01-13/time.pdf

I wish somebody would be kind enough to cite the original text from Veda or Purana.. I like to read it please and make my own interpretation

155 trillion, not billion

its not that the thing we not see is not present . We see light in pure whiteness . we got a medium its prism then we came to know that its made of 7 colours . Friends for God sake if don’t see anything don’t think its not present. Ants see 2 dimension they dont see 3 dimension . Likewise with our limited knowledge we cant authenticate our thinking and question our age old knowledge bank . .Don’t u know that the library of Nalanda remained burning for app 6 months . the hard earned knowledge was systematically destroyed by the invaders. Can U LET ME KNOW IN WHICH BOOK AND SCHOOL SYLLABUS THE PRISTINE knowledge OF VEDA IS TAUGHT . NOWHERE ITS SYSTEMATIC ANNIHILATION OF A KNOWLEDGE BY A FEW . THERE IS A GAP IN HISTORY WHICH HAS BEEN VANISHED BY OUR RULERS ie THE VEDIC HISTORY OF INDIA . READ IT THEN POST ADVERSE COMMENT ON THIS HIGHLY KNOWLEDGEABLE POST. IGNORANCE IS A CURSE.

There may seem to be a problem with this, yet the more you study it, the more correct you can see that it is.
They knew that the new temple would need to be bigger, so as the ancient Cubit was about 18 inches, the modern Cubit was to be about 24 inches, being 60.96 Centemeters. (Psalm 60:6-7) 96 helped us remember to worship correctly when it was prayer time; focus on GOD when praying. Praise the LORD in His sanctuary. (Ephesians 6:5-7) (Psalm 96:1-13) To figure the year, we look at the Chronology from Adam to Moses. Adam to Abraham was 1948 years. Abraham to Jacob being in Egypt was 290 years. Moses to the Exodus was 80 years. Together these are 2,318 years. Here is where the Hebrew Calendar began. (Exodus 12:2) The year 2017 is the Hebrew year 5,777 to 5,778. Add these together for the year 8,096. Forever 96 rooms with 4 others representing the 4 parts of the Cross. It is the year to give up meat, as seal 7 is actually seal 8. (Revelation 3:16-21)

Here is a measurement of how old the world is. Billions of years in scientific calculation. Each day is a thousand years, and they can calculate the days of years, as Enoch walked 365 days of years. (Genesis 5:23) A year for each day, and the Bible is perfected. Here is the key to the dinosaurs in the Bible. Then line this up to Moses. (2 Esdras 14:3-12) There is one more verse about the first children being taller than the last ones, and that verse goes with that. Here the dinosaur verse is. (2 Esdras 5:51-55) It is very true. Billions of years old the Earth is. GOD also calculated creation of modern humanity since Adam, yet the world was already here. Bible is perfect.

They say that the world is about 3 billion years old. Here is the Biblical Math to make sure the scientists are correct. With GOD’s smile of course. 8096 times 365 days of years (Genesis 5:23), times a thousand years for each day (2 Peter 3:8), equals 2,955,040,000 years. Yep, about exactly three billion years according to the Jews. It was about that long ago when GOD dropped the Adam amoeba in the ocean by the hand of an Angel. Then GOD had the Angel tell us that we had to shape up about 7 days ago; seven days of a thousand years. We add one day because one is usually hidden veiled, as a 7 is an 8. The first amoeba was A sexual, like Eve coming out of Adam’s rib. Then they evolved, and Eve tempted Adam to begin eating other Amoebas which were their own children, the fruit of the loins of their own family trees. Quite the contemplation isn’t it. This is spoken of in the Bible.
(Lamentations 2:20) (Leviticus 7:23, 17:12-14) (Deuteronomy 28:54-57) I thought that was really cool to learn. Biblical Sciences.
Two Amoebas; at least one plant and one animal. That is still not all of it though, and not where we came from.
This lines up to the scientific evidence that bacteria appeared 12 galactic years ago, each galactic year being 225,000,000 years.
A galactic year is said to be between 225,000,000 and 250,000,000 years. The three estimations in galactic years are;
12.9536 galactic years at 225 million years
12.44227368421053 galactic years at 237.5 million years
11.65824 galactic years at 250 million years
According to our doctrine, this is how old the Earth is. Also according to our doctrine, when this is calculated, we have 2½ parcels of time left before the Earth shuts down. (2 Esdras 14:11-12)
Being that this calculation was done during the Hebrew year of 5,777 we have to notice the calculation of how many years we have left to survive here. Having 9.5 ages down, and 2.5 ages left, the Earth has 777,642,105.2631579 years left if taken very well care of. This is about three galactic years total. According to modern science, in 2 to 3 galactic years from today, Tidal Acceleration will have moved the moon far enough from the Earth that Total Solar Eclipses are no longer possible. Also, this will have dramatic effects on the ocean. Here are these prophesies in the Bible. (Revelation 21:1) (2 Esdras 5:4)

The 2 1/2 ages we have left are in the Book of Daniel. (Daniel 12:7) Consider we are already shattered. We do not wait till the end of the 2 1/2 times to be shattered. Believing in science without GOD has been shattering us, yet GOD had a plan already. Know that we have more science than can be imagined in the Bible. Our mathematics are perfected by GOD in a way that no one could have done it except for GOD alone through the ancient Holy Prophets.

Who told u all this…there is no such single reference of Brahma or Vishnu in the entire Vedic literature….

Hindus also consider drinking cow-piss pretty healthy.

If I were not to be Hindu, I would have respected ancient discoverings of Hindus. Fortunately, due to accident of birth, I m Hindu!!…I got my spine twisted when I read a chapter in my 10th class’s Sanskrit book so I finally surfed it.
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!

atleast hindus were able to imagine this numbers without telescope or computer

You Hindu guys are even more ridiculous than us Muslims seeking 72 virgins. The belief in a “Langur” monkey being an ace mathematician Lord Hanuman!!!

Check sri Yukteswar:The Holy Science, most accurate depiction of Vedas time measurements, also aligns with science in some aspects.

Brahma, Vishnu & Mahesh(Shiva) which commonly are represented in Human forms are basically mere Personifications of the Process of Evolution , Preservation & Destruction of Universe. Most people who do not understand from outside just see it as Human Gods & find the theory unappealing without going deeper to study . As for the Author’s view, he has his Math calculations go wrong a few places. In SatYuga, the average Life of Humans was 4000 years and thus they could do ‘Tapasya’ i.e Penace for hundreds-thousands of years to attain the ‘truth’. The Average age becomes less in TretaYuga to 400 years, then to 200 years in Dwapar Yug and then to 100 Years in Kalyug. In Kalyug it is predicted that the Sins would increase, the technology will make the artificial that is ‘Maya’ or the ‘illusion’ appear to be Real and the ‘Real Truth’ would become faint and hidden. Religion , be it any will loose its significance, People will stop acknowledging anything like ‘God’ or ‘Supreme’ . Humans will think of themselves as to be the most Supreme & creators of everything around ‘Technology based illusions’ . Once this will happen , the fear of doing wrong & the incentive of doing ‘right’ will finish. Religious talks & ideas shall be proudly shattered without even studying it. It will be considered to be primitive & false beliefs. Morality will be at its lowest. Heinous crimes will be committed with no fear of its results .That is when the last Avatar of Vishnu ‘Kalki Avatar’ will come to End the world and again the process of Evolution shall start with Satyug. Though the form of Kalki Avatar is depicted as half Human & Half Horse, again it is not literally like that. It only signifies the Genetic Engineering which shall be so advanced then to have the best of both. It is unfortunate that people either out of ignorance or out of prejudice/biase never bother to dig deeper into what the Vedas which are the oldest texts say. It is pure science. Whether Cosmological distances , whether being specific that 84,00,000 species of life forms or ‘Yuni’ exists. It explains how the ‘Time Relativity’ i.e ‘Kaal’ has significance in different universes & planets. Much earlier than the modern science , it could predict exact date & time when the eclipses shall occur. The ‘Gotra’ system of marriage is so scientific based on the Chromosomes classification & thus avoiding marriages between cousins, thus preventing genetic diseases. The rebirth & Karma theory is so logicial & gives answers to simple questions which would come to humans as curiosity like ‘Why one Child is born in palace with Celebrations while the other at the sametime is born in a poor family or thrown in a Garbage Bin”. Can People who believe in God but do not believe in ‘Karma’ or ‘Rebirth theory based on our past deeds’, answer this injustice to me ? The discussion is endless only if one is curious to find his answers & trace his ancestoral roots or reasons of existence . Unfortunately most indulge in only unnecessary bickering & arguments or to prove that their religion is better than the other’s.

u shut your freaking mouth,u have no rights to tease anyone…..

Can you quote the source for the theory. There is no single place where this calculation is listed. Wiki has Manvantra where it is said the age of Brahma is around 10.5 bn years and comes close to human prediction.
Miltiverse concept still holds good with this age. Also human ages multiples by 10 every yugas.
Internet is not a place to publish things as what occur in your dreams. Be pointful.

“It is the only religion in which the time scales correspond, to those of modern scientific cosmology.” — THE ONLY SENTENCE THAT DESCRIBES THE HINDU CREATIVITY — THE REST IS RELIGIOUS HOCUS POCUS.

The 1857 edition of one of the books by scholar Sir Thomas More — describes the age of the earth by Vedic calculations as 3.6 billion years!!!!

Calculations seems to be wrong.each universe( brahma) has been calculated as having a life span of 311.04 billion years.present universe being the 7th one has gone half its way so it has to be 155.5 billion years which is nearly equal to scientific carbon dating data and other scientific evidences. vedas are the only text available which predicts earth age most precisely .vedas are not religious text because religion means following the views or visions of one enlightened petsonality.vedic people were self enlightenedhumanbeings , each of them had thereown spiritual path.moreover as per vedas out of four yugas, kali yuga is too far away from that super sun around which our sun along with its planets moves inan eliptical path,super sun being at the broad end of that eggshaped path.As influence of this super sun is less people undergoes various tramas.we can be happy that we are in ascending yugas so people will get more and more enlightened. Each one will try to be spiritual .spirituality is simply realizing oneself and this vast existance.

155 trillion year old is wrong according big bang theory. 155 trillion year old universe is wrong according to rainbow gravity theory. In some parts of vedas it clearly says thousands of years and in some hundreds of years.

actually vedas are word of god. No one can manufacture vedas. So who can know more about any thing apart from the manufacturer of that thing. so this whole universe is created by god and when he gives the information through the agency of god that is more accurate than finding actuality through telescope etc. So saints do not take information from their experiments rather from the vedas(God). so they do not need telescopes.

Sir, SB: As you said, if science is right according to you, then how come our saints told the exact distance of sun and moon from the earth and how come, they said that arundathi and vashishta stars rotate around themselves and they both revolve each other. Did they have telescope to tell all these???????????? all these sciences are based on the vedics.

You say:So either modern science still has a long way to go in estimating the age of our universe

OR

the universe mentioned in vedas is the mother of all universes (a multiverse probably) including our own universe !!!

My dear friend, the research to you did is pretty good but I have the question.. You mentioned it’s from vedas will you please tell me which verse from vedas and which vedas it’s mentioned.. I have gone through all vedas rig, yajur, sama, and atharva Veda not even find where the story of vishnu and brahma written even if you go through the vedas there is no vishnu at all.. So where this story is written in vedas?
Then I gone through the vishnu puran. And found this story.. One more thing if you go through the siva puran you will find the difference story and different concept of universe.. Plz don’t share false information in the name of vedas..

Any one interested in vedas please let me know I will be happy to share the true knowledge..

gurudev ji, really great blog this is. awesome !!
but according to this, guide me if i am wrong. (sorry for my bad english)
the age of brahma is 51 yrs and 1 day (current) then it means that
360*51 = 18360 days and 18360 nights have passed in total and each
of these day he created the universe and when at night he slept
the whole universe got dissolved in him. 18360 times universe created and destroyed by him ??? we are in 18361 th day of brahma. am i correct ?? and we are in kalyuga of 28th mahayuga of 7th manavantara of his 18361th day.

*Correction
Average life span of human beings in the four yugas is as follows:
Sat Yuga: 1,00,000 years
Treta Yuga: 10,000 years
Dwapur Yuga: 1,000 years
Kal Yuga: 100 years

It is very great to evaluate the various periods with the help of our holy and great Vedas. It is unbelievable for rest of the World that Our history is the forefathers of them. I think today the World’s great Scientists can not reach even after thousands of year to our Crores of years inventions. I am having the proud that I born in Bharat Varsh which is the name of Ancient Bharat and not in India where the Nasa said the Ramsetu was built before 1,70,000 years B.C. and Our newborn history writers said Rama and Ravana were born before 7,000 years .

Why questioning over this article if u want to question them its a simple and easy method. Good to go research deeply over Vedas and find answer, not one person able to give people’s answer because this subject is infinitive.somewhere we miss a lot because We do wrong interpretation of sholaks .Beacuse all Vedas written by a special method called Sholaks.What is a Sholak ? Sholaks is the poetic way to represent those respective thought in Sanskrit .So clearly what in Vedas if we want to know this need a deep and proper research and last one more confusing thing .After the original one had written next gen people has had add some imaginary thing so which is part is original and which part is not ,it should be verified.And its not a easy task its require a lengthy hard and same time smart work.And i found at net its all copy-paste work people taking knowledge here and there and write blog this not help either.I am sure some one do this or some organization will do this and come up with original research.

i am very happy in seeing the above article about/ from vedas…..
i got more information about vedas than i studied in internet….. but of no use in modren society…….. days are like that……..
i am so happy in seeing this……..
great work……..

“1 Kaliyuga = 432000 solar years”….how did you arrive at this? Please elaborate.

God is one who created the Universe and at the end he will destroy the Universe. Why does he do this?

You put 155,522 billion years when it should be 155.522 trillion.

Also, when I do the calculations, I get 155,521,972,949,115 years with us being 5,115 years into the current Kali Yuga as of 2013. I’ve also heard that before Lord Brahma started to create, he searched for 2.1 billion human (1,000 celestial) years until he heard the sound vibration ‘tapa’ (austerity). He then meditated for another 2.1 billion years before Lord Narayana appeared and gave him instructions to create and populate the universe. So technically, to calculate the age of the planets, we can chop off another 4.2 billion years minus the time it took to do the creating. I have heard that the lower 10 lokas (including Earth) are destroyed during Lord Brahma’s night, but I haven’t been able to verify it.

Can anyone suggest me from where to buy rigveda book with a translation in hindi…

Carl Sagan brought me here. great summery! thanks a lot, very useful.

He is sleeping in “Ksheer sagar ” where material,time-space have no meaning.Mortal can’t enter there,gods/demigods can in time of need. written in “Vishnu puran” and perhaps in Rigved also since Vedvyas wrote after reading it.

Gurudev can you please correct the ages where you mentioned human life span in Kali Yuga = 100 Years, Dwapara Yuga = 200 Years,Treta Yuga = 300 Years,Satya Yuga = 400 Years. It should be 100, 1000, 10000 and 100000 years respectively.
Also age of universe should be 155,522 trillion years, billion. Thanks.

I think you are right Gopi Devi. I don’t know how did the author get those number. The numbers are wrong. For example, it is mentioned in puranas sages used to do tapasya for 1000 years, 5000 years etc. Also the age of Visma Pitamaha when he died was around 350 yrs and he lived near the end of Dwapara Yuga. Author should make a correction of those number. Otherwise people will be confused and don’t know who to trust.

Vedas don’t mention about different Gods
There is only God . Only He is called by different names.
These ideas of vishnu sleeping is as per Puranas

i ll like to add , can u do revrse calculation , like assuming age of brahma 51 years , and as per modern science 13.7 billion years old is brahma .

some very intersting and practical results can be found .

means now kaliyug comes to be 8000 years which sound practical the 4.32 lac which sounds imagenery.

well a very informative,calculative and fascinating article.well done gurudev.

Pls tell me in which book or veda or puraan u  find “Lord Hanuman is believed to be next Bramha”….??

Great Article! i will add some more light to this article about Pralaya (Dissolution). Dissolution is the another thing which marks the end of different ages and boundaries of Universe.
Many Puranas/Vedas described 3 kinds of Dissolution exist. 1. Minor Dissolution – This will happen after every “Manvantara” which is (71 Mahayugas) 306.720 Million Solar Years. This Dissolution exist for only one Yuga (ie, 432000 solar years). This will affect only just Earth no affect to Sun, Also Indra(King of Heaven)/Saptarshi(Big Dipper)/Gods posts will be re assigned. As per vedas the Earth will be submerged under water, Most of the life will be vanished very small form life will be survived to create life forms in the next Manvantara.2. Intermediate Dissolution – One at the end of every “Brahma’s Day” which is after every 4.32 Billion Solar Years, The Dissolution exist for the Time of Brahmas Night which again 4.32 Billion Years, during this time No life form exist.  This Dissolution will apply till the Third upper Loka (Region of Space).
As per Puranas the Third upper Loka is Marked till the Star “Druv” (North Pole Star or Polaris). so all the matter, stars, planets within this region (Including Saptarshi=Big Dipper, Heavens/Hells etc… ) will be destroyed. Once the Dissolution time is over all these will be recreated,  but not mentioned it is again the same sun, moon, earth.

As per my understanding it can be in other place in the universe with a similar structure or different. So basically our sun/earth will change  after every Brahmas Day.

3. Major Dissolution – This will happen after Brahma’s Life ends (ie the Life of Current Universe=155,522 Billion years as per your calculation). This affects the whole Universe. Whole Universe will be annihilated. Only Vishnu Exist. The Duration this will continue is unknown to me.

From the above, In the Lifetime of Universe (ie one Major Dissolution), 36000 
Intermediate Dissolutions happen. And in every One Intermediate Dissolution 14 Minor Dissolutions happen.

*** As per Vedas there are 14 lokas (7 Lower, 7 Upper space), Earth is the first Upper Loka, 2nd Upper Loka is till end os Solar system. 3rd upper Loka is till North Pole star (Polaris). which also includes Heaven/Hell all the Demi Gods. 7th Upper Loka exist till the End of Universe.

Interesting, but 155,521,972,944,456 is not in the billions…that would be trillions. So according to your/the Vedas calculations the universe is 155 TRILLION years old.

Good job dude, thanks for this article and the artifacts :), keep going and keep posting.

Thanks for writing this article.  Please keep up the good work.
I believe in the Multiverse theory of the Vedas.  It is described in our sacred texts by the story of Brahma meeting his multiple counterparts from multiple universes.
Now my question is: are the Manavtars & Yug cycles similar in all universes?  Meaning does every universe have the same Avatars of Vishnu?  If it is true then all universes would have a similar Mahabharat & Ramayan events.   What are your thoughts on this?

a good article Gurudev…..
I have one question to get a clarification from you… it is mentioned that during Satya yuga 100% truth and good deeds happened, in tretayuga it was 75%, in Dwapara it was 50% and in Kaliyuga just 25%…. if it so then why Vishnu appeared (incarnations) more number of times in Satya yuga, he should appear more in Kaliyuga right? what is the explanation for this?

Your started with the statement ‘Vedas say that before the creation of the universe Lord Vishnu is sleeping in the ocean of all causes. His bed is a giant serpent with thousands of cobra like hoods’. Can you tell me in which of the Vedas details of the Yugas are to be found and which Veda mentions the name of Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma etc. As for my knowledge, Vedas do not talk about temple worship or idol worship, they do not mention anything like Sathya Yuga, Tretha Yuga, Dwapara Yuga, Kali yuga etc. They do not talk about applying any religious mark on the forehead. They do not favour astrology. I think we are in the habit of merely dragging the name of Vedas for any religious assumptions, practices etc, without veryfing as to whether they actually find their places in the Vedas.

what will happen to the atmas that are unable to achieve moksha, at the end of this kaliyug?(the destruction of this entire universe, Pralay)

Most of the calculations are based on information from Vishnu Purana – Chapter III

Yes you are right @4749f83a444ceaf1cb0591e4e4014bd7:disqus , I know that – women are 100% females, men are not 100% men in terms of genetics. But neverthless, the gotra system does preserve the y lineage for sure – probably instead of preserve shall I say ‘mark’ – the y lineage of a male – because unlike the X chromosome, the Y chromosome ALWAYS comes from the father which he got from this father and so on. In women only the mitochondrial DNA always comes from the mother, but chromosomes is always a mixture, unlike the Y for men. This is what I was trying to convey in the article above

Thanks a lot Sriram for those links, very informative.

Whoever wrote this sounds biased as hell.  Why does a river that dried up 6000 or is it 5000 (make up you mind) disprove an invasion 1500 years later.  How do you explain Sanskrit being related to Iranian, and almost all the languages of Europe.  And everything I have read has said Sanskrit and  Dravidian are not realted

Hi,
I wished to clarify the time gap between each yuga. Say Treta yuga started with Lord Rama and ended with birth of Lord Krishna. I traced down ancestors of a Padavas up to Bharata <- Shakuntala <- Viswamitra. Brahma Rishi Viswamitra happens to be the common link between these 2 yugas. Assuming People in Treta yuga lived for 10,000 years each. There are totally 17 Generations in between. so it comes up to 1.7 lakh years.
But Vedas say Yugas span in multiples of 4.32 Lakh years each.

Please clarify.

having
thoroughly examined the signifcance of Gothra and the importance of
the rule prescribed for not marrying within the same Gothra in the
background of Genetics, can we get some more info from the author of the
article on the significa…nce
of Sutra – because apart from Gothra one has to state the Sutra like
Apastamba when describing the lineage? What does it signify? Although it
does not figure in the rule for marriage, there must be some reason for
including it in the description of lineage of an individual. Any light
on that subject would be welcomed 

Although DNA only has 4 letters ACTG they each pronounce each other differently so the sound depends on the preceding letter. This forms a 16 letter alphabet of the sounds Fa Si Ya Wi La Ra Qua Da Chi To Ki Me Va Be Go Ja. This language is called Yamanuchi and can be used to read DNA and RNA sequences. Thus the DNA can be read, and the Human Y chromosome throughs up a few suprises. Here is the translation of the Human Y Chromosome:

La Ba La Li Char Li Will Li Say Zeus Seed Zeus Say Shine Shay Von Me Zi Lu Fi Lu Li Yi La Ron Ron Noah rarkin Pod Noah Jar Seed Dinosaur Je Ray Shine Quack Kad beQuam Me Me God Ron Zink Noah zarkin Gester Mon Lon Go Nut Shay Ju Ron May Key Ray La Fi Fat Chos Nut Shay Lon Venus Say Jon Charles Say Pong Ginos mother who?;

Worked like a charm for Ubuntu 10.10 newbie. Internet connection went back to four times as fast as it was.

Thank you.
Rob

sir, but according to calculated age  of universe which one corret!

If Brahma=ourLocalUniverse and if there are other planets supporting life exists in this LocalUniverse and if the Vedas are universal, then I think it should not be used to derive the age of life on earth.  If we do, then either Vedas are strictly local to humans/earth or there is no life in any planets in any universe other than earth.

You must have also read Shiva Purana, which states the appearance of shiva as an infinite bindu in the dark universe after which the appearance of Vishnu and Brahma takes place within that bindu and so on and so forth. Now is there a contradiction of role in Shiva Purana, Vishnu Purana and Brahma Purana?? Please clarify as I was always waiting to ask someone this question.

Your calculations are a bit off — in sata yuga people live for 100,000 years, dwapar – 10,000, treta — 1000, kali yuga 100, and at the end it will be 20 years before the new universal cycle begins.

“Vedas say that before the creation of the universe Lord Vishnu is sleeping in the ocean of all causes. His bed is a giant serpent with thousands of cobra like hoods ” These your first satatement…..Questn: If there was no creation of Universe How OCEAN was created and those cobras or serpent? 

1 Mahayuga = 4,320,000 years 
1000 mahayuga = 1 kalpa

1 kalpa= 1 day of bramma

so 1000* 4320000=4320000000 = 4 billion years
or 432 crore human years 
as per science age of earth = 4 billion years

so far 50 kalpas completed
 so 50* 4 billion human years =  20 billion human years
age of universe as per science = 20 billion years

verify and correct your writings

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AMAZING….

Om Namo Narayan! Divine blessings of Love and Light to you and your loved ones!

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Thank you for your contribution to mankind. Om and prem.

Sarada Puri

very nicely written. Good work indeed.

boss each day of brahma= 100*360 days………..in that way its 100 years………….before posting anything just check the details once again……….

hi this is certainly a  very intresting blog.. and ur efforts to merge modern scince and its obersvations with vedic science is great..however goin back  to  the question of  the  age  of  the universe ,  as 100 bhrama  years .. my question is the concept of a  year,with 365 days…and a day having 24  hours was introduced apprx 3000 BC say 5000 years back.. but goin by  the discussions in this blog with   other  topics.. i  feel the vedas  aredefolder  than 5000 years..so the  mode  of  calculation shud be  different  ..which means it shudn be in  years or years having 360 or365 days or a day being didved into 24 hours  

Amazing ! I am a firm believer of Vedas & respect Vedic knowledge. The article is well researched & stimulating. As a Vedic astrologers I am really impressed by the effects of constellations, signs & planets on an individual, all this taught since thousands of years still holds good. The concept of Rahu & Ketu and their importance in daily life is mind-boggling. Congratulations to you for your wonderful work.  

Haribol!
This one is wonderful brother, Even my eyes are ears are eager to know more & more about these numbers & creation which comes from the pores of Karanodakshya Vishnu, As mentioned in our scriptures that we are in the 6th manvantra, & by the 7th manvantra King Bali would be getting the post of Indra & there would be a fight between lord Vamana & Purender (Lord Indra).  (Lord Vaman is Brother of present Indra named Purender both came from mata Aditi)

These numbers are out of our imigantions…but still this doesn’t end here.Once Lord Brahma comes at the door step of Sri Krishna at Dwarikapuri Dhama, the door keepers doen’t allow Brahma to enter the beautifull palace of Sri Krishna, Lord Brahma answers to the door keepers that go & let Sri Krishna know that BRAHMA has come (with little pride) :PThey went & gave the message to Krishna, Krishna asked the door keepers…Go and ask that guy with 4 head, WHO BRAHMA? Door keepers goes back & asks Who Brahma? (Lord Brahma thinks who Brahma? Are there any other Brahma also? ) Brahma replies the door keeper go & say Sri Krishna I am The Father of Sanath Kumars (The 4 kumars) They go & tell this to Sri Krishna. Sri Krishna oh! ok let him come  inside.Brahma enters the palace of Sri Krishna, after few minutes another Brahma comes with 5 heads, another with 6 heads, with 100 heads, & 1000 heads & this never stops.These all brahma comes & bows towards the lotus feets of Sri Krishna. Sukdevgo swami says, he can hear the sound of the head gear (goldll mukuts) banging here & there, when the 4 head Brahma from this Universe saw this incident he was shocked & he was looking as if a rabbit is stuck between the Lions :p (These are Sukdevgo swamis words, Sher ke beech me sassak) Lord Brahma realises that power of Sri Krishna.My story was just to conclude, that our Universe is 311 trillion years, How many years thpse Universe would be? where there is Lord Brahma with 1000 face :( Oh Krishna! These calculations & knowing the powers of the creator is really difficult to find out with our limited source of Mind, all other senses. Appreciated you wonderfull research on this one though, Hare Krishna…keep up the good work, Hare Krishna :)

nice

I cannot thank you enough for this post. I had lot of blanks before and this article helped me clearing so many doubts that I had. It all fits now… wow!
Just one question- Is the value of “1 Kaliyuga = 432000 solar years!” from the vedas also?

The Vedas and other Indian scriptures contain in them science that will take our scientists 1000s of years to fathom. the world is millions of years old. Higher intelligence has lived here and gone and been gracious enough to have presented us with all encompassing knowledge in the Vedas which they themselves described as infinite.

And the stupidest thing is that Indians – and Hindus themselves- dont just put their heads down and get down to the task of disseminating the knowledge. But you have done it, please continue to do so.

Exceptional, divine and amazingly holy. What better example needed to emphasize the Hindu concept from a religious as well as a scientific perception. This is the Hindu Universe, undoubtedly. All the others are illusions of blemish, like clouds in a clear blue sky.

D/Sir

No doubt that the vedas are divinely revealed literatures compiled different enlightened souls. Pls let me know wherefrom you got the human life span in each yuga.

Regards

S. K.Das

Its been a long time since i have been searching for some information of this manner! logic n truth !! thanks a lot you made my day and also helped me to move forward with my world of knowledge and truth….
Roshni

Dear gurudeva,

I read through many different sources that Lord Rama’s avatara was not in this current maha-yuga but actually occurred in the 24th maha-yuga of the current 7th manavanta. Is that true? IF yes, then what were the timings of other vishnu avatars. I am a bit confused regarding this….

Great efforts Gurudevji,

I have readed this in Srimad-Bhagavata and the experinece while reading this was not comparable are you aware about the kundalini awaking i think so one of the chakra is awaken of yours.

Basically i m a mechncial engg i m residing in mumbai and i m always very eager to know all such blogs. kindly send me your email id for my reference. my id is coolbharat11@yahoo.co.in

Thanks
BAP

Helllllllllllooooooooooooooo

Gurudev

What happened to you?
Whay have you removed my post?

Do you only like posts like :
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Very interesting posts, you really worked hard on it.
Thanks a lot, could you kindly tell me where exactly have the vedas mentioned this calendar,

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At first you It was showing label like “Waiting for moderation” and then it is nowhere.

Okk
Thanks
Good Work
KEEP IT UUUP

Dear Gurudev,

Very interesting posts, you really worked hard on it.
Thanks a lot, could you kindly tell me where exactly have the vedas mentioned this calendar,
Thanks again.
Leela.

hey, I just happened to read this article on net and thought this would interest you as well…
check out this link:
http: //k-s-rawat.sulekha.com/blog/post/2000/02/the-case-of-shanti-devi.htm

very interesting and a rare case…. do u think it could be fake ?

For different and most probably correct perspective of yugas,Please look at the following link-last para.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Science

Sri yukteshwarji, has written a book ‘The holly science’.

According to him current yuga is dwapara yuga.My interpretation of his view is that Yugas are the time slots in time cycle in which the earth consciousness will be exposed to extent of spiritual energy which he says originates at the center(black whole) of our galaxy.
With increased ex-poser of energy human-consciousness will gradually become aware of all pervading energy(which is evident),all pr4evading consciousness(atomic science,quantum mechanics),will be able to grasp vastness of space,new methods of communication(In this book written some 100 years ago)It has been mentioned that this century belongs to radio waves or advent of communication revolution which i find just exact.In just last century if you look the co-incidental inventions/observations and resultant awareness they caused ,;; if you did’t get amazed then you missed something.Just try to compare what humanity achieved in last 1100-1700 which according to him was part of kalyuga and last two centuries.I find the similarity of events here

1) Evolution of human being.
2) Evolution of Modern science.

I believe with this two human consciousness itself is taking some next step towards higher truth.
He has given clear graphs,figures to illustrates the things.
According to him kalyuga is the smallest of all yugas which lasts some 2400 or so years.while satyayuga runs for some 6k to 10k years which seems realistic.
when vedic texts talk abt yugas of astronomical time which is rediculas; at least i am not able to comprehend the significance of human life after lakhs of years( kalyuga cycle) and is contradictory to the obvious flow of spiritual uplift of consciousness(not individual humans) as it gives comparatively very very small time for sat-yuga.

dude check out d link below..d earth is around 4.5 billion years old..not 2 billion..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_Earth

some people say dec 2012 is the end of one phase and beginning of another era..gurudev what does our vedas hav to say on this..is the kali yug ending this soon?
or will there be any sort of calamity? any predictions in vedic astrology that u know of which supports the mayan theory..?

ok i have a doubt… as per our shastra there are 9 planets which is what science says..but why does our shastra include sun and moon under planets..? why is neptune and pluto not included ?…. also the sun is supposed to ligh up only our universe as per science which states there are billions amd billions of universes and each have their own sun(no. might vary)..but as per our shastras the sun is clearly stated to light up three lokas or more–that is 3 universes i presume…so can there be a loophole in science? because the shastras were writtem even before man had come up with any civilisation and invention, which soo accurately describes the shape of the earth, equator, stars, gravity, pythogras theorm(sulva sutra), seasons etc etc.. so i find it hard to doubt the shastras.. what’s ur take on this..?

Thank you for all the information! I really needed the information on the four yugas. Particularly Treta yuga and Dwapara yuga.

I know Kali Yuga translated in English means THE DARK AGE but what are the other yugas translated in english? (I don’t want the meaning I just want the direct english translation) that is sooo hard to find nowadays!!

Oh and what’s this about 71 mahayugas!! I

Love is when you’re attracted to something or someone. Gravity=Love, and you know all the rest.

Learning a little bit more everyday. Anyway, after reading this article I’m left wondering is since we’re suopposed to be living in a dark age…

“Kali Yuga lasts for 10% of its Mahayuga- Kali means Darkness in Sanskrit (not to be confused with Kaali which is godess), no wonder we are in this age.”

…I’m wondering if this is supposed to mean a period of evil and efforts to overcome this evil is futile, or whether it means we’re living in an age of not understanding things very well and we’re ‘not to supposed to’ understand. So try as we might we just don’t have it in us to understand things, how the world works and so on, just yet.

Evil or ignorance, which one does it mean? Both perhaps?

One more thing, I was doing some reading about ancient astrology and learned a few things about the ages of the zodiac. Christ is of the age of Pisces, the fish. And from what I read the age of Aquarius begins in about another 150 years. We’re talking about actual movement of the stars here, not some fantasy. So these Vedic philosophies make any mention of anything comparable to the zodiac?

I was just going through this reily wonderful stuff on net- its called Dasa sahitya- The process of creation of the Bramhanda written by a very renowned sage Sri Vadirajatirtha.
Check this out link :http://www.archive.org/stream/processofcreatio015756mbp/processofcreatio015756mbp_djvu.txt

I get my answers to all the questions related to the supreme being from here– in ENGLISH :p (I am poor at reading and writing my native language– which is very sad i know ) !

lemme knw how u find the link…i thought this wud interest u as u sound like a deep thinker :)

tc

great job .I really enjoyed reading your article .can you please help my 16 year old daughter find an idea for math fair. since you seem so smart .I will pay for your kind help .take care .may God bless you .

You are really sweet to patiently answer everyone’s comment on this wonderful blog of urs…

u seem to have a laser sharp mind..brilliant …

i just read ur other blogs too just a couple of hours back… count me in ur fan list …

kudos…

wow…

i need sometime to digest all the math here….

we need to be proud of our ancient scriptures and rishis… this is indeed kali yug, so deluding… man is only only only behind money and glamour….

wow…

i still need some time to digest all the math here ..!

excellent research…. we need to be proud of our ancient scriptures and sages…. kali yug is truly deluding…. man is only only only behind money and glamour….

So very true, thank you very much for that. Hopefully we will have the remaining non-physical (or may we say non-materialistic) of the mysteries solved in this century. Of course solving one set of mysteries always creates another new set of mysteries they are to be solved next.

Great arithmetic, but according to me the ‘singularity’ and the ‘physical world’ are the impersonification of Lord Vishnu’s navel and Lord Brahma because along with the universes the laws governing them were also created which require an intelligent mind which only a ‘person’: not made up of flesh and bones(matter), as the general perception, but made up of ‘spirit’ (or spiritual body), can posses.

Super arithmetic man, but i reckon that the singularity and the physical universes are the impersonification of Lord Vishnu’s navel and Brahma, because along with the universes the laws governing them were also made and for making laws and maintaining order you need an intelligent mind which only a person possesses.

hi Gurudev,
great effort in elucidating facts about our vedic science – one thing, such articles giving startling figures really help in our comprehension of time immemorial

DEAR GURUDEV,

VERY INTERESTING DISCUSSION.  I WOULD LIKE  TO KNOW YOUR REACTION TO STEPHEN HAWKING’S COMMENTS ABOUT THE MIND OF GOD IN HIS BOOK ‘BRIEF HISTORY OF
TIME’ AND RELATED ISSUES IN VEDIC WISDOM.

ALSO I WANT YOUR COMMENTS REGARDING DIALECTICS IN BRAHMASUTRA
BASHYAS AND HEGELIAN DIALECTICS.

I want to know about the scientific thoughts in vedas.
i heard that the rishis knew that the earth rotates by itself and revolve the sun. i want to know more. please

hello sir,
                 Is it true that the time come when kaliyuga finished……….reply me

Brahma Created the universe or life on earth Because to do work ‘Karma” as a part of it.  As per vedas, there is not even one anu, Part which doesn’t do work or involve in a change ‘Parivartana’. Creation “Srushti” is the work of Brahma assigned by his master, so he will do his work the ‘karma’. It is also part of his work ‘karma’ to absorb back his creation at the end of the day.  So, if there is no life on earth or end to the universe, it is also part of his work the ‘karma’.

Dear Gurudev,
I am been following your blog since 3-4 weeks. The articles you have written are very informative. I am grateful to u for providing such knowledge to all of us. I have a doubt hope u will clear it.
1> Pls tell me according to the Vedas why the universe was created? (am asking why and not how)
2>According to vedas why their is life of earth?
Warm regards,
arun

Hello mr gurudev I wonder whats ur true name, let me know more about you and communicate more. In past so many years I was busy in my hectic medical discourse but I wanted to further my studies in ancient Indian sciences and history. Although being in the cosmic enlightenment center as well as the cultural capital(if one doesnt disagree!) on earth(atleast in recent past)- varansi right now i had access to books but couldn’t read all. So suggest me good things, where u based in India?
I have been a student of physics and maths too and i simply loved astrophysics and its intricacies and latest in astrophysics and everything. basically knowledge are pockets of same flow of wisdom stream!
I wanted to know whats going on in particle physics and right here I wanted to talk about light.
I suspect and our books have enough evidnce to say- light has variable speed!
Plancktonian doctrine might forbid a matter having mass>0 at c=speed of light but it may be that light is tamed in different pockets of universe differently! It’s quite possible that we live in maze which creates a mystery like receding galaxies or ‘bigbang’. I have little doubts in hypothesizing that all the laws that run in a certain geo-galactico-physical reference are not followed elsewhere. We are seperated by big distances to actually fathom closer.
But this distance might not actually be so big that we could not interact with other lifeforms! Its only some mysterious sheet of curtain that creates a maze of huge distances! But this puzzle will only be solved if humans (race and scientists) reached a certain mental or spiritual status!
Only interdisciplinary discussions between thinking people could bringforth something! The “gyan yoga”.
But not evryone can take part here, there are some like ‘nitin’ who’d be scared of thinking too much beyond their cup let them be aloof in their farcical spiritual domains. all the intelligent scientists have talked of the higher consciousness\entity, the religion (not all), Hinduism, Ved and even God. It needs stupendous capacities to know and then to still keep yourselves in right frames of thinking\existence etc!!!
because the boundaries are gigantically mindboggling!!
I suspect there are things which can run faster than light, light can be taken as a perceptible matter, you cannot measure other speed on the scales of physical scale ie. physics. eg.- You cannot eat everything- you cannot eat honesty, similarly one cannot smell the dark etc.
when we leave a certain plane we encounter multiple references and coordinates and we are puzzled, we hardly hv any ability to deal with more than what we can handle.
Theoretically human can become deity and then God. Only connecting line is- the knowledge= “gyan”.
but more of it, all of it.
And I’d say Ved are the highly condensed,abridged pack of wisdom that encompassed huge lengths and time, those who wrote couldnot write all of it, they abridged it, made it palatable to their then disciples but still in so many years the core content has remained although the we haven’t found the methods which would be then for very sure but vanished because of “loss in transit” may be.
It doesn’t matter anyone believes it or not, or anyone wants to claim it or not any sane wise one would find it mindboggling – because of sheer truth not all of which we can ascertain though by current tools.
thanks
 
Dr Shailesh G,
sanj001@gmail.com
VNS

Very insightful and interesting read. Thanks for sharing. It is really amazing that our Vedas are so rich in knowledge and yet we (our population in general) no longer seem to be following/reading them. I am glad that people like you are bringing forth this knowledge to the world.

hey …guru… i am very young by ur age….but am equally intrested in vedas…and the power of ancient history…. i live in lithuania….in europe.
I want to start from scratch …well..my hindi is not very good…it takes much time to read…so can u tell me any site where i am read step by step vedas… and where should i start from….plzzz help me…..i have the thirst for knowledge ….though i have started reading ….but i an not find …very good …source of reading……

regards,
saurabh

Please comment about the calculation in ‘The Holy Science’ . I find the calculation in Sri Yukteswarji’s book to be much more convincing. He also tells us why the length of Kaliyuga is not 432,000 years and is actually 1200 years. He says the miscalculation was caused by a scholar in Kaliyuga. In that case, maybe the age of universe is 15 billion years according to Vedas.

Great! Thanks a lot!

0.O
Incredible

This is excellent. What Gurudev said is correct. When compared to vedas, the present science has developed only 20% of the vedas.  In Vedas the birth and death of universe exists but scientists or people don’t know the exact information about the birth and death of universe. Vedas really exists and it is true

Dear Gurudev,
Your post is excellent.  Regardless of whether it is “verifiable” or “retrofitting” as others may consider, it shows the tinge of unabashed pride in one’s identity, which is thoroughly lacking in today’s Indians.  I don’t think your credibility will go down because of those persons whose forefathers converted to non-Vedic religions just for pecuniary benefits or for a more colorful idendity.  To me, one who is unable to digest his identity but speaks as if he knows the most and as if he is the most broad-minded person in the world, is the worst kind of hippocrite and suffers from serious lack of self-esteem.   Ask them to check out http://www.stephen-knapp.com/death_of_the_aryan_invasion_theory.htm.
Regardless of all these QA engineers who are bent on finding faults in your theory, you are one of a kind.  You are that rare person who takes pride in his identity and sets out working on his roots no matter what “rationalists” may say.
Once again, kudos to your effect.  Some of our prideless Indian brethren may let the Vedic religion go down the drain and adopt the religions that borrowed from us, but the Vedic religion will live forever.  That is the true identity of India, the land that was home to great civilizations much before the so-called early civilizations.

Cheers and kudos, once again.

Best Regards,
Sriram

Read the “Holy Science” by Sri Yukteshwar giri, the guru of Paramahamsa Yogananda. According to him 1 Mahayuga is 24000 years containing ascending and descending Satya, Treta, Dwapara and Kali yugas. Also each Satya yuga is 4800 years, treta 3600 years, dwapara 24o0 years and kali 1250 years. According to him we are in ascending Dwapara year 309 to be precise. His reasoning is based on astronomical calculations and he had a different interpretation for Vishnu nabhi.  He also quotes sloka from manu Samhita that describes how the yugas are broken down. I feel his explanation was more rational and so I don’t quite agree with the info on this website. Sorry :-)

I have been writer of Sri Rama Ramayana since 15 years ago and also research the Ramayana Sethu and Lanka . the Simhala (sri lanka) and Ravana lanka two islands different , the sri lanka was south-east side and Lanka was south side , sri lanka 7degrees and lanka upon 0 degree.

Respected Gurudev !!
I came across your your Web Site,inicdentally, trying to find the names of the previous kalpas.. !! I found the names and you too .. !!!

155 Trillion years= age of Brahmaji
Almost half more time is remaining for the universe to be destroyed

Hello Guru.
I think it has been a great pleasure for me to reach this blog.
I am a great buff of History(especially Indian). I am pursuing MBA from a reputed college in MUMBAI.
I know my interests and my field of study doen’t match at all.
Quite often my friends laugh at my strange obsession.
But I am quite passionate about history. I have read much work on Ancient,Medieval and Modern History.
About two years ago I came in contact with History mentioned in Vedas along with all the other Sciences.
From then I have read much about the Vedic Knowledge from all available sources namely Internet,Libraries etc.
I have read about the incredibly long time spans of yugas , about the great scientific achievements of our ancestor.From my studies I think that vedas and other sacred scriptures of Hinduism like Upanishads ,Ramayan,Mahabharat present not only the History of our Country but that of the World nay of the entire Universe………
I used to think that not much youngsters of this country would be interested in such type of stuff,but seeing this blog ,I am quite delighted.
I will appreciate if you could find me the answers of few questions after doing related research as I could not ascertain them.
From my Knowledge we are at the moment in 7th Manvantra’s 28th MahaYuga’s Kali Yuga of this day of Brahma.
1.Firstly about the Date of Mahabharata
Is it 3139 B.C as thought by relation to beginning of Kali Yuga (3102 B.C.)?
Or it is 5561 B.C as ascertained by Dr. P.V. Vartak in his book “”The Scientific Dating of Mahabharata””(though beginning of Kali Yuga is same at 3102 B.C)?

2.Secondly about time frame of Lord Rama
in which Mahayuga’s treta Yuga he existed?

I will be quite greatful if you could answer me these questions.

A person can believe the Vedas, or can actually read them after acquiring the required skills. For laymen like Brad and myself, believing in some scripture is no different from believing in the theory of relativity. I understand that it is simply easier for most of us to believe in modern science because fallibility of modern science implies a total waste of most of our lives and its actions. Imagine how a professor of history would react if he was to face the truth that all his studies were based on not knowledge, but faith!
Many people are stumped by big names. For them, I must mention here that what I just said is basically what Derrida has said about the fundamental place of faith in any knowledge system. The funny thing is that the history professor who vehemently opposes what I just said, would not dare raise a finger against the same thought process if it is labeled “”Derrida”” from the beginning!

Interesting read. Though I wonder why would anybody believe the vedas! :) I could ‘concoct’ stories like these with strange words that allude to the Hindu religion/culture and come up with some stupendous numbers- doesn’t mean you are going to believe me, are you?

Here is a Wiki article – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_the_universe
Interestingly, do click on ‘Origin belief’ that corroborates the story here.

Hey Guru,
You rock man. your knowledge is abundance abt every possible thing, would love to meet you. I stay in US, do let me know how i can meet you.

Do let me know if you would like to visit here, i will arrange.
It would be great to meet you in person and talk to you.
SK

FTL is not a theory ..it is theoretical speculation.
Nothing can go faster than light is a cardinal principle in physics. If any thing violates that principle , we have to re write the entire laws of physics.
Bose-Einstein Condensation is a mile stone theory , that quantum phenomenon can be observable in the macro level is validated by the experiment. Eric Cornell and Carl Wieman won the Nobel prize for this great achievement in 1995..
Sateyndra Nath Bose a brilliant mathematician from Calcutta from the past years , invented a new type of statistics, that he applied to the group of gas molecules and predicted , at the super cool temperatures these gas molecules will form an exotic matter. Some speculated the machines made from this exotic matter could lead to Time Travel .An active research going on in this area.
A new ,soon to be operational, Hadron super Collider in Sweden expected to lead an unprecedented new discoveries and provide experimental verification for several theories in Physics.

Its too early to speculate the final outcome of any theory, may be its regarding FTL, for the moment the fact is that quantum mechanics and relativity theory do not agree on vital issues. And another fact is that by each passing day speculation are on rise due to entry of singularity, dark matter, dark energy, role of observer (consciousness) etc. into physics. Euqally important the fact is that there is less scope left for experiments and its more a theoratical excercise. We all have to wait for long to see the issues are settled down in physics, if these will settle at all?

information cannot travel faster than light

Well… maybe yes… maybe no… ;)
I guess we have to wait for the outcome of this experiment :D
See this also.

Boy I can’t wait to learn about the result of this… :D

Yes Abhilash, relativity does not prohibit FTL, all it says is that information cannot travel faster than light.
But then again we also have quantum non locality, which Einstein called ‘spooky action at a distance’!

As for the universal expansion, its also possible that the physical constants like c,G etc are not really constants, but are variables whose value depends on the age of the universe! Initially the value of c might have been much larger, and as the value of c came down to present value, the earlier expanding universe which was well within the boundaries of the then value of c, today automatically got shifted to the other side of the light speed barrier!

Physics (special theory of relativity) doesn’t say that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. What it says is that nothing can accelerate from lesser than speed of light to or faster than light speed. Particles that travel faster than light at all times are permitted by the special theory of relativity. Mordern science (at least some noted scholars) does accept that the unobservable universe (beyond the observable boundries) is expanding faster than light.

I agree with you. Modern sceince is not able to digest the fact that unobservable universe can expanding beyond speed of light. Any favorable answer means entire physics is going to be re-written, since physics say that nothing can travel beyond the speed of light and this is the fact no faint hearted physist worth his salt can do. You see, whats the paradox, physists are happy to live with paradoxes rather than challenging it.

Thanks Damini for going through the article and analyzing it in detail.
Yes, its premature to consider the value of modern science to be accurate as far as age of universe goes, for there are still a lot of unanswered questions like darkmatter, dark energy, the trigger for bigbang, what lies beyond the observable universe, etc.

Sure will contribute my best to the community mentioned.

Congrats!!! You have written a wonderful article. Your friend Mr. Arjun from Torronto just told me about it, and
I immediately went thru it. And I found it very interesting.
I think you are right in predicting the age of universe according to vedas.
Firstly, scientists are calculating the age of the universe on the basis the distance (in light years) of remotest galaxies they can find at two opposite directions, since the universe is expanding at the farthest ends at the speed of light. Science call it known universe. But they are silent about the unknown part of the universe, which is beyond the 10 billion light years away. And interestingly they arrived at the same conclusion that the unverse is exactly in its middle age.
The second point which goes in your favor is that the age of fundamental particles goes much beyond the age of universe predicted by the science, that means either the universe is not so small or there are multiple-universes.
Gurdev, you are requested to contribute to the ‘Science in Hinduism’ community on regular basis, so that others can also benefit from your thoughts.

Nitin
My personal experience is that today more westerners know more about ancient India and its rich vedic science, than Indians themselves.
Most Indian youth are busy imitating the pubs, clubs and discothecs. Forget vedic history, most of them are not even aware of modern history of India and dont even have the basic general knowledge about the country’s recent past. This is a hard fact which I have personally experienced.
If you start counting the number of people studying and doing research on sanskrit and vedic sciences, you will be surprised to see the east-west ratio :)
It should be the efforts of humanity in its entirety to make use of the best of both modern and ancient knowledge to build a better world.

As far intellectual discussions, its also a pathway of realizing the ultimate universe. Thirst for knowledge is clearly defined by Krishna as one of the paths which he calls Jnana Yoga. Intellectual discussions are a very much part of it and you can find it all across the vedas. Remember the story of Nachiketa?

So its left to the individual to chose the path in which he wants to put his life to best use and to serve the society.
One can follow Bhakti Yoga by being a spiritual person
or one can follow Jnana Yoga by being a scientist or a researcher
or one can even be a dedicated worker and serve the society via Karma Yoga

Hi!

Modern science has, as did ancient science, had their own frameworks which are a little difficult to find coherence amongst. However, it would take an unaware & egoistic westerner or a moron to think that science in ancient India was less developed than is in current world.

Maybe not so much a “”waste of time”” in the more worldly ways but what I have increasingly realized over time is that it really doesn’t matter as much as we think it does. We already know enough to create a happy world, its time to act.

The greatest gift of India to the world will be a practical framework (some call it religion, culture, god, etc.) for meaningful co-existence. I believe the missing practice is now here in the form of Vipassana and people should concentrate more on practice than intellectual discussions. These unending discussions have lead to this orthodox and under-developed society where people use logic of convenience to turn the course of society in their favor. Discussion will not yield much in itself as it has its own limits.

Give Vipassana a try…

Nitin

Nitin
Its not about “”Proving the vedas right”” or “”putting a claim on every invention in the present world””. Its purely mentioning what is there in the vedas already.

If you read the article again, you can see that the calculations are completely DIFFERENT from what modern science says to be the age of universe. Its 155,522 billion years of vedic science v/s 15-20 billion years of modern science!!
So where have I tried to “”put a claim”” here. I have clearly said that the vedic calculations DO NOT match with that of modern science here. So its not some circus where one is trying to “”prove”” vedas in terms of modern science. Its all about trying to unearth the vedic science so that we could understand it in modern terms.

I dont understand why is it a “”waste of time”” to try and investigate into what all things our ancients knew. Its like
saying investigating into the knowledge our ancestors had is a waste of time.

If vedas mention about things that we already know in modern science, isnt it possible that they also contain answers to unanswered questions in modern science? So if investigating into the vedas can throw light on giving directions to modern science, why shouldnt we go for it?
Please note that all major physicists in the world have read the vedas and have related vedic science to modern science. Obviously we cant call their studies a “”waste of time””. Can we? :)

Hi Guys!

I strongly believe that our ancestors knew infinitely more than modern science can ever explain for the simple reason that modern science is very young, only a few centuries old and it depends on material/physical probing and evidence. Proving the Vedas right and putting a claim on every invention in the present world is a great waste of time. The purpose of the whole wealth of knowledge is betterment of humanity. If this is not the end, no purpose is served.

I have been a Vipassana meditator for about 5 years. The teachings of the Enlightened One are “”exactly”” the same as that of Bhagwat Gita. For that matter, it is the essence of any religious or spiritual practice. Only the practical aspects were lost which are now available. Goto http://www.dhamma.org read about it, do a 10 day course and find out for yourself. You will understand all the religions in the world better in a practical way that will enrich your life. It will make you present minded and uproot your deep routed conditioning and complexes.

There is no science greater than the science of happiness. Doesn’t matter what “”yug”” you live in, the laws of karma apply. We should live a life consistent with these laws and we shall live in peace.

If you need any help, mail me at nitin.re@gmail.com

Nitin

Yes Trond
Recently I wrote on the meaning of vedas being called eternal
http://hitxp.wordpress.com/2007/12/24/why-are-not-vedas-of-human-origin/

Seems the age of the world, vedas, vedanta and universe coincides then? I just read: ?Brahma produced the eternal scriptures, Rigved, Yajurved, Samved, Atharvaved and also the Puranas which are like the fifth Ved.? He produced them at the very beginning of the creation of the world which was 155.52 trillion years ago.
Source: http://www.encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/articles/58_age_of.htm

Ram
Adding personal links to wikipedia is not suggested. Even then I see many readers having added links to my articles in Wikipedia. If somebody else feels its worth it and adds it there I cant say anything about it, but if I add on my own then it becomes a personal propaganda, since I will anyway be biased towards my views. I dont want to misuse a public project to promote my views :)

John
When we look at other scientific aspects described in these ancient scriptures, and the huge lineage of modern scientists who have been reading and quoting vedic texts quite often, From Einstein, to oppenheimer to almost all quantum physicists, it doesnt look like a coincidence :)

As I keep saying, post Christian era if humanity could achieve so much in terms of science and technology in just a few centuries (in fact most of today’s science is in the past 3-4 centuries!), isnt it quite possible that these ppl who lived for millenia in the pre Christian era, could have even bigger achievements in their list!

Infact, one of the biggest mysteries is that our present human brain evolved and has remained the same for the past 1,50,000 years. Isnt it strange if we believe that this same brain was idle for 150000 years and suddenly started thinking science and inventing technology only in the past millenium or so?!

Is this a coincidence that the evolution of life on this planet began when another day of Bhrama was beginning? If this was not a coincidence, I would find it quite fascinating that texts written thousands of years ago could pin-point this without any known carbon-dating methods. Wow. And thanks for going through the numbers, Gurudev.

Gurudev,
Excellent Service. Keep Going. You may want to add your findings in the following link under the Religious perspective section.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_of_the_universe

Thanks Gokul! Nice idea!
tried vedapedia.org but its already booked.. so have booked vedapedia.com for now :)

Wish you all the best Keep Going / May we should have something like a VedaPedia.org :)

Perfectly said Srinivas,

“”translation of coordinates””, that’s what it is.

Because Vedic astronomy names planets which includes sun, it was considered wrong. The conclusion was that vedic astronomy considered earth as centre of solar system and not sun. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Anybody with knowledge on astrology knows that the calculations on positions predict real positions. The reason is that the calculations consider sun as centre of solar system (“”Heliocentric””) and calculate the coordinates of other planets with earth as origin. This is nothing but “”translation of coordinates”” that we studied in high school coordinate geometry. The motion of planets appears spiral and not elliptical when the coordinates are translated to earth (this spiral motion of planets was apparently clearly explained in some hymns but I do not know which ones). This sounds complex but achieved by astrological calculations, which are, relatively simple. The simplest test is to calculate the planetary coordinates on a eclipse day and voila! the sun and moon positions will be found in line! This would not have been possible if the astrology wrongly assumed earth as centre.
This goes to prove that indian astrology which existed long before modern astronomy actually is correct to a large extent.

Yes Srinivas
We have not even studied the tip of the iceberg of the ancient Indian knowledge, thanks to the secular governments and society which calls itself scientific without knowing what real science is and without knowing where modern science is standing today..
Yes, great floods seem more near to the description of pralaya!
Yes, textbooks of history and science need to be changed by giving due credit to the original inventors/discoverers, else it will be the greatest disservice done to these ancient scientists, not only by Indians, but by all humans..

Interesting info about astrology, can you please elaborate on this heliocentric part of it?

Gurudev,
What I was searching for, I found at one place very neatly.
Few thoughts:
1.Vedas give a lot of info in a figurative way. The “”possible”” interpretations of a particular ruk (hymn) can properly be done by somebody with Sanskrit and other subject (say Astrophysics, geology, etc) domain knowledge. It is perhaps easier to find an astrophysicst than a scholar to interpret Vedas. I am donor to a Sanskrit school and I know. Of course this interpretation is true with a several such sources including Bible. The difference is, billions are spent on research by western countries. Just a mute point.
2. Astrophysics is not the only treasure of Vedas. As you pointed out there are several. From the cyclical event point of view, Tectonic plate movement is another subject which is now accepted as cyclical. Would be interesting to know if there are any references in Vedas about this. The tectonic plate movements could create a deluge during the cycles and life on earth could practically end. This is much closer to the figurative description of “”Pralayam”” than the big crunch?
3. I have some knowledge about Astrology and make astrological charts. It is important to know that the calculations are indeed heliocentric and not geocentric! It is only that the positions of the planets are referenced with earth as origin. Now which astrophysics book credits indian astronomers? We only read about aristotle, aristarchus, ptolemy….

Thank you very much Vinod :)

Dear Gurudev,
Very informative work..I admire your dedication.
-vinod

Thanks Vanita!
End is just another beginning, just like the way,
Success is nothing but failure turned inside out ;)

Awsome Job. I always thought that Universer, mother earth is close to end. Thank God. Not in my life time…..

ha.ha.ha

Good Job.

Keep it up and keep us posted.

Men you are a champion

Good link Vishal. Thanks for that. Nice to know about such sincere efforts.

hey guys if you can go thru following links you will real good material. Note its not mine et all, but a collection of good meterial available on net.

http://encyclopediaofauthentichinduism.org/
(Read All articles)
You can also see my Community on Vedas
http://www.orkut.com/Community.aspx?cmm=20013088

Thanks Gurudev for starting the thread and Anish for initiating the thought.

Just an extension to OOP in Universe namespace.
Yes, each object is just instance of Brahma, if that object-(say man) starts thinking instance itself is Brahma it wastes its life time. If that object with conscious effort, starts to recognize that it is just an instance of class Brahma and all those transactions during its life time which got stored permanantly – the action (Karma) has to bear the fruit in current or future initiations-rebirths. Those karmas(positive &/or negetive) are the parameters of future instance constructors.
If at the end of an instance there is no data exists to record back to database/hard disk, that object ceases to take rebirths. The main source of object is returned back to initiator/invoking method-memory is released- the prana vayu driving force of object becomes one with Universal Matter.

ursri
Nice explanation about constructor, destructor and maintenance methods of OOPS :)

Dear Anish
To my understanding so for with the help of a scientific explanation of space, time and its expression,
Paramatma is Super Class
Vishnu is space is derived from Parmatma but again it is abstract class (Avyaktha – cannot be expressed)
Shiva is time is also a derived class from Paramatma again it is avyaktha- cannot be expressed
Brahma is a container class with exposes properties of space and time and can be created as object.

Other wise all the object instances of derived class Brahma are from super class Vishnu with maitenance methods anc Brahma as constructor and Shiva as destructor.
So “”Aham Brahmasmi “” holds good to any object in this Universe.

Kasi
Yes, what you said is true.
But I have kept it as it is in the last para, because its a quote by Carl Sagan, so I thought its not appropriate for me to ‘edit’ his actual quote :)

Ursri
Thank you very much for that information and those informative links!

Anish
neatly summarized :)

Hi People,

just a little observation here. The word ‘Veda’ means ‘To Know’. In the Kali Yuga, there is an actual being known as Kali – whose origins and antics are already documented in The Scripture. This being shall, by means that are beyond the understanding of most people, lead Manushya (The Being that Uses the Mind) to ignorance and superstition. I might point out here that the words ‘Faith’ and ‘Belief’ are very contrary to the word ‘Knowledge’. Just like a new Lord Brahma, there will be another Kali for the next Kali Yuga.
The Veda does NOT propose any assumptions. It charts the path to knowledge for the Seeker of Knowledge – known as a Jignasu.
And The Supreme Being who sleeps and awakens for creation and dissolution cycles makes the First Manifestation as SadaaShivam. Lord Vishnu in his VishwaRoopa, and Lord Brahma in the form of the Preserver of the Veda, respectively arise from either side of The SadaaShivam.
And only then, from the Navel of Lord Vishnu, does Lord Brahma appear in a Lotus in his form as creator. While this process goes on on one side, The SadaaShivam becomes The ArdhaNareeshwaran, and then proceeds to become Lord Shiva, The Destroyer.

A bit of clarification on the titles these entities have. The Trilogy, as it is known is created for purposes of governance.

The Being is Singular and All Encompassing – or Advaitham.

Lord Brahma – is both the creator of the worlds, and the preserver of celestial knowledge. He hands over the Veda in the form of Manusmrithi to The Manu in each Manvanthara. Hence he is titled The Creator.

Lord Vishnu – is in charge of protecting Righteousness (the words ‘good’ and ‘evil’ are inadequate, besides being misleading), and hence he is The Protector (of Righeousness)

Lord Shiva – the reclusive hermit whose actions are beyond the comprehension of most Human Beings, and even the Celestial Beings, vents his ‘anger’ on Unrighteousness, and destroys unrighteousness as required. Hence he titled The Destroyer (of Unrighteousness).

While many will view the creation of several Entities for specific purposes as being redundant, their existence merely makes it easy for Human Beings and other Beings to utilize these entities for the betterment of all.

If there are any Object Oriented programmers or Mathematicians amongst you readers, then each of these entities, say Lord Muruga, or Lord Indra, or Lord Surya, is like a general class that can be used as an object once the parameters and additional functions are (read Human Intent) are included. The Being is the Super-Class.
And each being, be it human, or otherwise, is an instance, albeit a highly customized one, of this Super-Class.

Let me cheer to the Divinity to all of us – Nama: The: – pronounced Namahsthey – and meaning – I bow to Thee – both the pronouns referring to the Super-Class from which we are designed.

About Start of Kaliyuga,

It was indologist/britishers who allegedly made Kaliyuga/ Aryan Invasion starts on 1200 BC. It is very disturbing that Veda themselves are the true chornology with accurate astronomical celectial position information. Britishers/ those who rewrote indian history, sidelined or abused these vedas a “”myths””.

Coming back to Kaliyuga start date: As Mr. Siddharth mentions about positioning of celestial bodies marks the offset of one yuga and onset of subsequent yuga. According to many sources, the exact positioning happend in year 3012 BC. We can also observe the Harappa civilization existed during this time frame only. Ref: Asain Prophecy – First Para on Hindu Prophecy in specific
More info Duration of Time as a Function of Consciousness & The Four Cycles

Coming to scientific evidence of flying machines and sophisticated warfares can be found in Mahabharata. Context : Krishna’s war with Salwa in short . A detailed infomation about Vimana’s- Flying machines description in Vedas

Wish if I had more time to update actual chronology as mentioned in the book “”The Origin of Human – Children of Immortal bliss by Mr. Lakshmikantam. “” . The book deal with thorough study of human race with concurrent dynasties/civilization with that of Bharatha Varsha . The Greater Bharata. Which also explains that Arabean sea did not exists either and our Bharat’s territory was much bigger than the current landscape.

Hey Gurudev,

I am back again,

Well, I didn’t read the replies to the original. But, I needed a small correction to your initial post (if that’s possible).

I am concerned about the word “”Hinduism”” in the last para of the post.

Hinduism is not a religion. It is a set of rules. It was coined just few countable years back. Since, we people lived in and around the River Sindhu, we were referred to as Hindus. Ok, a more appropriate word there would be “”Sanatana Dharma””. Please give a look into it.

In general discussion, using Hinduism in such a context wuld be fine. But, when it comes to in-depth discussions like this in your post, I would encourage the usage of “”Sanatan Dharma””. Let the newcomers too get interested in this and let them learn by themselves what they are!

Just a thought. Don’t mind.

Thanks,

Akshay
Evidence requires research. unfortunately that is the sad state today.
See the amount of research going on at the egyptian pyramids for instance.
Where is such research going on in India today? Except for thinkers putting across their thoughts and studying texts/history.

The research I am talking about is archaeological excavations. To go back in history by thousands of years one needs to go down and excavate historical/ archaelogical sites. ASI is just a nonsense.

Forget excavations, just see the way these people are maintaing existing cultural sites.. I was shocked to see the plight of some ancient temples at places near Bangalore that come under ASI.. broken staues lying around.. local kids playing on it.. this is how we preserve things..

and where is research/excavation? Ramsetu is not even under the jurisdiction of ASI, and ASI tells the supreme court that there is no historical proof of Ramsetu construction?! How can it say this without doing any research on the site?

ASI has not gone beyond 5 meters deep at the ayodhya site, while archaelogical science requires here that an excavation be done at atleast 60 meters deep!! Given this situation where will you get the proofs from?

About the purpose of creation as you asked.. creation of universes by the eternal multiverse is considered equivalent to our breathing.. we exist because we breath.. multiverse exists because universes are created and destroyed within it..
multiverse itself is timeless, formless, called as Neti Neti meaning not this, not this.. in other words you cant confine the definition of this formless multiverse..

We ask what is achieve by birth death etc because we consider ourselves to be separate from the rest of the universe. The truth is that we are very much part of this universe, and the goal is this realization. Which is why vedas say that for a person who has realized that he is a part of the universal soul, there is no need to perform his last rites after his death!!

Asking why do we exist is like our body cells asking why they live and die.. well they live and die and in the process ensure that the higher human body continues to live.. The question of a human body’s cell is answered when it realizes that it is not the cell itself, but actually a part of the higher human body :)

Interesting thoughts Siddharth! Thanks for that.

But the so called “”fancy of scholars”” about the daiva years is actually from the vedic sources itself and not a later addition!!

Also, what is to be noted is that even by the most recent accounts Indus valley civilization dates to centuries before 700BC, so how can Kaliyuga start in 700 BC, while the Mahabharatha war ended much before that?

Yudhishtira didnt go to Himalayas with ALL his wise men! Only Pandavas, Draupadi and a dog (Dharma) went to the himalayas!

Also, if Sun had a companion star then wouldnt the planetary motions be unexplainable without considering that star’s gravity in the equation? For instance Neptune was first discovered in the equations, when astronomers saw that the path of the Uranus could not be explained by known planets and Sun alone!!

An alternative view of the yuga cycle and timescale was taught by the 19th/20th-century Indian yogi Swami Sri Yukteswar Giri, guru of Paramahansa Yogananda.

In his book, The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar explains that the descending phase of Satya Yuga lasts 4800 years, Treta Yuga 3600 years, Dwapara Yuga 2400 years, and Kali Yuga 1200 years. The ascending phase of Kali Yuga then begins, also lasting 1200 years; and so on. The ascending phase of Kali Yuga began in September of 499 AD. Since September 1699, we have been in the ascending phase of Dwapara Yuga, according to Sri Yukteswar.

In The Holy Science, Sri Yukteswar writes that the traditional or long count view is based on a misunderstanding. He says that at the end of the last descending Dvapara Yuga (about 700 BC), “”Maharaja Yudhisthira, noticing the appearance of the dark Kali Yuga, made over his throne to his grandson [and]…together with all of his wise men…retired to the Himalaya Mountains…Thus there was none in the court…who could understand the principle of correctly accounting the ages of the several Yugas.””

According to Sri Yukteswar, nobody wanted to announce the bad news of the beginning of the ascending Kali Yuga, so they just kept adding years to the Kali date (at that time 2400 Kali). As the Kali began to ascend again, scholars of the time recognized that there was a mistake in the date (then being called 3600+ Kali, although their texts said Kali had only 1200 years). “”By way of reconciliation, they fancied that 1200 years, the real age of Kali, were not the ordinary years of our earth, but were so many daiva (or deva) years (“”years of the gods””), consisting of 12 daiva months of 30 daiva days each, with each daiva day being equal to one ordinary solar year of our earth. Hence according to these men 1200 years of Kali Yuga must be equal to 432,000 years of our earth.””

Sri Yukteswar explains that just as the cycle of day and night is caused by a celestial motion (the earth spinning on its axis in relation to the sun), and just as the cycle of the seasons are caused by a celestial motion (the earth with tilted axis orbiting the sun) so too is the yuga cycle (seen as the precession of the equinox), caused by a celestial motion. He explains this celestial motion is the movement of the whole solar system around another star. As our sun moves through this orbit it takes the solar system (and earth) closer to and then further from a point in space known as the “”grand centre”” also called ‘Vishnunabhi’, which is the seat of the creative power, ‘Brahma’, [which]…regulates…the mental virtue of the internal world.”” He implies that it is the proximity of the earth and sun to this grand centre that determines which season of man or yuga it is.

While astronomers recognize that most stars orbit one or more companion stars, as of this date, very few astronomers believe our sun has a companion star or that the precession of the equinox could be the observable of such a motion.

source: wiki article on yuga, link posted earlier along with another link to sri yukteshwara-related portal explaining this theory through a timeline.

Gurudev,

Have scientists, archaeologists ever been able to find any evidence of anything like war, or flying machines, or Type II worlds, as described in the Vedas? Why is it that there is no conclusive tangible evidence to support these descriptions?

From all that you have read of the Vedas, can you tell me whether the Vedas ever describe what exactly is the point of existence? What is achieved by these cycles of the multiverse during which almost everybody dies, is reborn, dies, etc etc..

Einstein once said
The most incomprehensible thing about the universe is that it is comprehensible :)

The four yugas are distributed in a ratio of 4:3:2:1
Well, time is the ONLY yardstick to measure the age of the universe!
Yes, you are right, everything is relative, which is why we use units of measurement, which is nothing but relative measurement.
Even time is relative, which is why for instance we use the unit “”year””, which is defined as the time taken (currently) for one revolution of earth around the sun.

Modern science speculates that the age of the universe might be, say about 15 billion years old. This only means that if we use our current “”year”” as a unit, then in terms of this time length, universe was born about 15 billion units ago!

The very fact that we are measuring “”age”” means we have to use “”time””. The only issue would have been if time flowed earlier with different speeds, or if the speed of light/value of other physical constants had been different in the early universe! But that is something which is not yet proved/disproved conclusively. So we have more time ;)

About people living continuously for thousands of years.. Well, suppose there are two butterflies who are scientists , butterflies live for about 5 days… which they call as a “”butterfly year””.. and when one of them discovers about how long humans live in terms of their “”butterfly years””, the other will be heard saying “”How on earth can these humans live for thousands of years!!! Its simply unimaginable living so long”” :)

painstakingly collected facts! well done….I appreciate you for your efforts.

But I still have the conviction that time cannot be used as a yardstick to measure the age of universe. Everthing is relative. In all the four yugas the time scale seems to be different. I could derive a conclusion that the time was calculated with respect to our era -the kali yuga. Is it not?
You cannot think of people living continuously for thousands of years. I don’t even want to put my intellect into it, as I know all these things are beyond our intellect.

hi gurudev,

why is it that vedas,ramayana,mahabarata only contains indian or asian region description only…were there no people/species in the western areas at that time ???

also, as per the desc. and our thinking we try to map them with aliens who visited earth fought wars …used mass destructive weapons..used hight tech vheichles or vimanas…etc…but no evidences of these things found till date…???….i mean to say whether they had some kind of technology….or it was indeed big birds or horses/elephants chariots…etc..???…i am unable to think how the western side evolved about…as they are entirely different in looks, nature, thinking, socials, language etc….

Sunetra

Gururaj has wonderfully put across about GOD

About good and bad etc, we should first stop thinking about these things as being imposed ones. Thinking of not wanting to do bad just because God will punish us, or wanting to do good things just because we will get Punya, I think is nonsense. Because in such a case, our good deeds are not coming out of us being good, but are coming only out of fear!!

Every person who has atleast a bit of sense knows within himself/herself as to whether what he/she is doing is correct. As long as one can answer oneself, I dont think we need an external judge.
As per me, Hurting/harming others UNNECESSARILY is bad.
What is necessary/unnecessary depends on a person’s feelings, emotions, wisdom, etc. Whats more important is that you being CONVINCED that you are not doing bad. We can cheat others, but not ourselves :)

Which is why vedas say “”Aham Brahmasmi”” which means “”I am the God””, or the “”God is within me”” or “”I am the universe””. Universe is just a mere external reflection of our internal thoughts! The Mahabharatha war on that note is fought inside our minds!

hi can anybody give me a link to Dnyaneshwari in marathi, if it is available on net?? I couldn’t find…

Thanks

I would recommend that this article be read:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuga

for more on sri yukteshwara:
http://dwaparayuga.com/2007/08/dwapara-yuga-timeline-with-brief-review.html

Please look out for more on this theory and let me know.

God defines the boundary of wild sactury. We are like wild animals and free to move in his set boundary. We can create our own destiny by our action. This bhoogola/bhuloka is karma bhoomi. Everyone has to work/act – decide their destiny.
If one gets realization about where one is heading to and find difficulties, one can call God/pray Him for direction/help.

sunetra,

it is a common misconception that we are mere mere puppets and that everything is predetermined and done by god. Krishna clearly says in Mahabaratha that he did not want the war. so who wanted it? Every action and its consequence is wanted by us and and us alone and GOD just enables it.

You can view GOD as current and us as the electrical appliances.
Each and every function is done by the appliance but none of them would work without the current.

Gurudev- In that case who is this GOD that we talk about all the time? Any thoughts?

Why should we care about right and wrong, heaven and hell, life and death…If our destiny is predetermined, what role do we play besides being a puppet of some one called GOD?

GOD going through trouble?
Not really.
Brahma is not some person. Its the personification of the universe and the process of creation.
Vishnu is the personification of the eternal multiverse that lies beyond our local universe i.e Brahma.

What on earth does GOD go thru this trouble for?

anonymous
our current universe is represented by brahma’s entire life span, i.e his 100 years.
His one day refers only to the duration of life forms.

1 kaliyuga is defined as 1/10 of a maha yuga, and a mahayuga corresponds to 4,320,000 solar years.

These original time measurements could be found in Vishnu Purana, Surya Siddantha etc. I think its also mentioned in Mahabharatha

also can you pls explain how you have reached to
1 Kaliyuga = 432000 solar years!

gurudev,

i am a bit confused here….

as you have stated as per vedas our universe lives for 100 years..
then you have stated as per vedas
currently we are in 1st day of 51st year of brahma and as Vedas say that during the day Brahma is busy in creation of life and during the night all life he created is absorbed back into him…..
this means our universe is only for that 1 day or only leaving beings ???

looks contradictory or i am getting confused with terms

can you pls explain….

Thanks

Excellent work GD!!
very impressive!

Wish vedas are added into our education system, if not all but what has remained.. Its amazing to see so many people interested in it at the time when its significance and importance is not being realized!

I am not sure how correct or incorrect the vedas are. But given that people from the vedic age were able to predict the age of universe with such a huge number is simply amazing. For the sake of consensus, let us not assume that vedas are not human made etc.. but rather a civilzation like others that existed say about 3-5 thousand years ago. Even then people talking of a number that big (millions) is amazing while other civilization thought that universe or life (not sure which one) was created only few thousand years back.. For that reason alone I think vedas need preserved or researched b4 rubbishing them.

Interesting observations. May be the following would help:

The letters GOD:

G = Generator – Brahma
O = Operator – Vishnu
D = Destroyer – Shiva

And interestingly it is the Operator or the Sustainer who gave birth to the Lord responsible for creation :-) i.e. Vishnu gives birth to Brahma. Lord Vishnu has Mahamaya (Lakshmi) seated next to him. So this proves that as per our Vedic religion Energy (Lakshmi), and Consciousness (Vishnu – who is just there/Sleeping like) are eternal. It is Consciousness that gives birth to creation. (Well have you ever seen a deadman getting a degree certificate from any university :-))

The following creation hymn may interest you: http://www.madhava.net/Vedanta/creation_hymn.htm

Our Brahma is 50 yrs young or 50 yrs old. Surprisingly our Sun’s age is also half of his life span. Trimurthy’s – Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva are representation of Space, Creation-Intellectual Expression of Space & Time OR Growth , Time respectively.
All three are designated by ParaBramha- Ultimate/Supreme(parama) Source. Some says he is MahaVishnu some other MahaDeva. The source which makes universe so dynamic is is yet again creation of MahaVishnu- Maya some says Sri Durga. According to shiviites it is Mahadevi/Sri Durga wife of Shiva.

Brahma is not the same always. Every 100 years of Brahma its a new universe, meaning a new Brahma! Only Vishnu represents the eternal multiverse beyond our universe.

Yes after 100 years of current brahma (meaning current universe), the current Brahma will die, and then a new Brahma (a new universe) will be born out of Vishnu!

this appears like a repetative process??? what next after 100 yrs of a universe ???? anything mentioned in vedas????
if this the thing brahma, vishnu and shiva keep on doing…they must be bored by now :)

Rohit
I think over 0.4 million years still left :)

Hi GD,
I wnat to know that after how many human years this kaliyuga will end.

Mr. Gurudev,
Your article is very impressive, and it only makes me realize that modern science and technology has a lot to do before we can get to the level of the vedas. It’s a pity that all the science and technology that existed during the past yugas has disappeared. We know that there was a vimana used by ravana to fly to lanka, and yet the modern world believes the wright brothers are the inventors! I would not even want to think of stuff like the weapons used in the mahabharata such as the bhramastra! Sadly we have lost our knowledge, our connection with dharma and with our creator; instead we persue material wealth and confort, no wonder we are in the kali yuga!
Once again, great work and thanks for making me realize what the yugas were….

Veronica
Yes Brahma will go back to the navel of Vishnu which means even you will go back as a part of that brahma.. not that you will be destroyed.. soul is indestrutible say the vedas.. it was never born in the first place, so how can it die? ask the vedas..

Veronica
Thanks for your comments.. you can read more at http://hitxp.wordpress.com/hinduism/ and at http://hitxp.wordpress.com/hitxp-table-of-contents/

Yes you are absolutely right about Sanskrit and vedas..

About the kali age, well, its a cycle , so its not a road from good to bad.. instead its alternating between good, bad, good, bad…. so please dont feel depressed :)
There is a saying in the vedic texts.. Every bright day is followed by a dark night, and after every dark night, the bright day returns.

I have a question. when Brahma dies will he go back into the navel of lord Vishnu? I don’t want to spend my whole life working off karma just to end up dying.

Hi I found your article of the age of the universe and the age of Brahma just wonderfully simple. Ist it has helped me a lot I understand that we are in Kali age year 5108 10 th day of Simham month. To tell the truth I am a bit depressed because I was hoping that mankind was moving towards an enlightened time.
I am 54 years negro/ Indian mixed woman and would very much like to learn Sanskrit for it?s maybe the only real ancient language left which is clank based. There may have been a time when the Vedic teaching universal was or all teaching had the same roots and maybe the tower of Babel that is mentioned in the bible when the languages all changes had something to do with the changes that took place. In any case the Vedic teaching is the only pure teaching that has remained up to this day. I am grateful for the internet because I am learning more each day. Instead of bickering about an article we should be trying to grasp the principle that all is one and one is all. I am looking forward to more articles from you.

Thanks for that Rakesh.. please spread the link and related info with your friends, so that all Indian youth are aware of what India really is and what it can become :)

U r right Guru…

I just discovered ur website a few days ago n almost gone thru all ur postings…some of it I told my fellow work mates…they were suprised !!
Thanks for good work

Sure Rakesh,
will check out if any info is available on that..

The history of Chauhan vs Ghori.. the way Ghori cheated Chauhan and the way Chauhan finally got his revenge is simply amazing..

Especially these lines uttered by Chauhan’s friend Chandra Vardai before a blind Prithviraj Chauhan fired arrows at Ghori to fatally wound him are simply wonderful

“”Char bans, chaubis gaj, angul asta pramaan,
Ete pai Sultan hai, Ab mat chuko Chauhan””

Thanks Gurudev for insight into vedas…my research started with TV serial Prithviraj Chauhan…it was when I was searching for info on Prithviraj Chauhan that I came across many infor on vedas, 4 yugas…mahabharat war…its all linked..even I doubt there is true story of Prithviraj Chauhan…..can u find anything abt Prithviraj Chauhan in Vedas….I guess Prithviraj Chauhan has knowlwdge of vedas n was in depth preparing the use of veda weapon…??

Thanks Gurudev for the link.

Paresh

You can find a lot of the vedic texts at
http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

Kaushik / Gurudev,

Thanks for those corrections and comments. Is there any online resources, which can provide the transcription of those available vedas? (also upnishadas and any other ancient texts)

I should have gotten those While I was in India – stupid me :(

Yes I completely agree with Kaushik on that..

@Paresh,
a few corrections here,
1. vedas were never a texts of knowledge until they were recently scriptured a few hundereds of years ago.
2. “”..but we have most of the vedas…””, the very sadening truth is that the four Vedas were said to have 1131 branches earlier. But now only 13 branches are traceable (viz., 1% only).Out of these 13 branches also, only 7 are being chanted at different parts of the country. The remaining are traceable in script form only. and vedas are said to have of little importance if you really dont know how they are to be pronounced.

Just my opinion, but here it goes:

Vedas might be the ancient most texts of knowledge but there were other civilizations as well which had good knowledge.

The pyramid carvings are said to have future events described, and as those future events happened, the carvings were scratched by priests. The pyramids and phynx (not correct word) are very old and pyramids construction required great deal of knowledge (of scientific principles). Some studies have very believable scientific conclusion (I have watched / read the studies) that they were inter planetary vehicles launch pads – also machinery was used to build those.

Most of Egypt historical monument carvings are full of knowledge.

Same goes for Mayans, incans and other civilizations.

The biggest advantage us Indians (well I am American but culturally Indian) have is that our civilization survived along with majority of the knowledge of ancient Indians. (I know we lost a lot when nalanda and taxashila were destroyed, but we have most of the vedas, puranas, suktas, samhitas, upnishadas, sutras etc..) Also there was knowledge transfer generations through generations, as we still have many Sanskrit masters. Same is not true for other civilizations, even though there have been a lot of research on Egyptology lately for example.

I am not stating above to discredit vedas, but to emphasize that other civilizations might be at similar levels to that of Indians. In fact it gives more importance to vedas, as the only readily available ancient knowledge transferable to any modern language without much trouble.

The yuga calculations are at odds with what Yug Shakti gayatri parivar has tried to prove scientifically. In fact what Gayatri parivar, Om Shanti organization based on Mt. Abu, and the modern scientist cum spiritual leader late Melchizedek have researched are much smaller yug periods (~5K years) with scientific explanations (basically the number of years the earth faces more towards the center of milkiway are satyuga years etc.). These smaller periods may be further subdivisions among yugas.

Vasu

Again you are getting it wrong.. Oppenheimer was not talking about the violence or war in Mahabharatha.. He was talking about the science of a nuclear weapon
He was saying that ancient India already had these nuclear weapons.. he was a reader of the Bhagavadgita and when he conducted the first explosion in the deserts to test the device, that was the first time modern world was seeing an atomic explosion.. and oppenheimer who saw it was shocked because he had read paragraphs in Gita describing exactly what he saw!!
The mushroom clouds.. the blast wave or the shock wave.. the cutting down of sun’s rays.. the explanation that soldiers could not escape from the fire even when they jumped into water (meaning it was burns by radiation), etc…
In one of the interviews later a student asked him, as to how does he feel after the first atomic explosion on earth.. and he said, First yes, but only in modern times.. he meant there might have been earlier pre-historic atomic explosions in Mahabharatha war..

Now this has absolutely nothing to do with hatred or violence or war as you are thinking.. There was no hatred that was put into his mind by any religious text.. It was like Oppenheimer saw what he had read earlier, and was surprised by the accuracy of the description, because till then he had thought that the atomic explosion was the first of its kind…

I have written number of articles about the need to save nature.. against prevention of the use of nuclear weapons.. etc

Even if you read Mahabharatha epic.. you can see that every last ditch effort was made by Krishna to prevent a war.. where he keeps reminding all about the great losses of a war..

you read the vedic scriptures and they clearly talk about the means to solve a conflicting problem..
sama , dana bhedha.. only the last resort should be danda..

As I have been again and again.. there is science which exists in nature.. the laws of nature.. irrespective of whether God exists or not.. Science does indeed exist..

Technology is applied science and is purely human dependent.. While nuclear energy is science.. atom bombs and nuclear reactors are technology…
whether we create the former or the latter is left to humans.. there is no point in blaming religions for this.. religions as far as our logical thinking goes, is created by humans and has nothing to do with any God..
So there is no point in blaming religion or God for the misuse of technology by humans.. it is the humans themselves who are to be blamed for it…

Having said that still I dont think I did anything wrong by writing this article about the vedic age of the universe.. There was no religion, war, violence, God in this.. It is purely some calculations that have been discussed about..

Please let me know if you still disagree and I am happy to continue the discussion..

Gurudev,
I am not using it as a hatred post. I am just debating here expressing my views. If your blog is closed for like minded people only, tell me i won’t comment. I believe the truth emerges by debate only.

“”Oppenheimer who said that Mahabharatha contained the description of a nuclear bomb was not some religious fundamentalist.. he was the father of modern atomic bomb, a scientist, who executed the atomic bomb project of US which made US win the world war II so easily..””.

That’s what my point is. These are the kind of ideas people get by going through the religious texts. If you feel great about US winning world war II by dropping N-Bombs on two cities killing millions of innocent people, I think i am in wrong blog unnecessarily debating. I think N-Bombs are a biggest threat to all species especially to humans on this planet. I believe it’s one big mistake humans ever made which is threatening the race itself. If the creator of that bomb is inspired by the wars and violence from mahabharata, I think we should be ashamed of it not proud. May be it’s the “”leela”” of vishnu who made his first move to destroy this world by inflicting an idea to develop N-Bomb into human brains.
BTW, thanks Gurudev for your book suggestions i will try to read them. My intention here is not to offend any one. I am just expressing my views.

Vasu

The theory of world being created in 7 days has been dumped by the scientific community long back! Dinosaurs never co existed with humans.. no scientific proof is available on that.. on the contrary it has been proved by fossil records that dinosaurs vanished 65 millions years ago while the first humans came into picture only 10-15 million years ago..

Even the end of the world dates that you mentioned that have been said in some religious texts, have been proved wrong by the very fact that we passed those dates without any issues and they simply now propose a new date.. that is not science. I have not written any such nonsense saying world will end in 2000, then postponed it to 2006.. 2010.. etc

You are completely misinformed/prejudiced about the vedas.. it has nothing to do with religion.. its culture.. please read the articles in http://hitxp.wordpress.com/hinduism/

Vedas do not define things like blasphemy, religious institutions etc.. you can even be an atheist and believe in vedas.. vedas talk about knowledge.. how to live like true responsible humans, with a responsibility towards nature and other life forms.. Atharva veda talks about engineering stuff.. geometry.. vedic mathematics.. what has mathematics to do with religion ?

Unlike the so called religions.. there is no religious conversion, missionaries etc in the hinduism which has its sources in the vedas.. bcos its not religious. there is no ‘spreading of the message of God’.. its cultural.. a way of life.. with scientific touch to the way you lead your life..

See Rigveda clearly explains even the Speed of Light
http://hitxp.wordpress.com/2007/05/28/speed-of-light-explained-in-rigveda/

As for the age of the universe, science itself not still very clear about it!! There are still investigations about the actual value of the cosmological constant!!
Like how Newton calculated the value of gravitational constant.. if the above article gives a clue to researchers to find the actual age of the universe. why not?? Why be so closed in mind and allergic to any information? This is not some hatred post..

There were some numbers mentioned in the vedas for the speed of light.. some researchers calculated based on those numbers using the vedic units and saw that it gave a correct value of speed of light as agreed by science today..
Similarly, I saw some numbers given for the age of the universe in the vedas and calculated based on those numbers, got some value and posted it here… so what’s the issue in that?

By the way its up to you to believe or not believe in things.. science doesnt run on belief or faith, unlike religion.. and vedas are scientific texts not religious texts..
It is sad that while the people in the west are doing research on the scientific values of the vedic content.. we Indians are becoming pseudo-secularist prejudiced people..

Please read books like the Tao of Physics, Dancing Wu Li Master etc and you will see what great physicists, quantum mechanists etc have to say about the vedic and buddhist wisdoms and scriptures.. Oppenheimer who said that Mahabharatha contained the description of a nuclear bomb was not some religious fundamentalist.. he was the father of modern atomic bomb, a scientist, who executed the atomic bomb project of US which made US win the world war II so easily..
See http://hitxp.wordpress.com/2007/05/01/divine-weapons/ for Oppenheimer video..

Vasu
Knowledge is not something where you start first thinking about the benefits in terms of profit and loss :)
Knowledge is for those who have a quest to know..
Archimedes was solving a mathematical problem even when a war was going on, even when a soldier was standing right next to him with a sword!!

Knowing how sun produces heat and light will not solve the poverty and stop wars either ! Nor will inventing television or telephone… but we need science and technology to make life on earth better.. to prevent people from dying because of illness.. to alert about tsunamis.. to reduce earth quake casualty numbers…

So I dont think it makes any sense to connect extremely unconnected issues like age of universe and poverty or war.. Neither has God to do anything with knowing the Age of Universe.. Universe has an age need not necessarily mean that there is a God who created it! The knowledge about the age of the universe might help us to calculate more accurately the probability of finding other life forms else where in this universe! A more realistic Drake equation… and these other civilization might be a galactic civilization that has overcome poverty and war.. who knows? Any and every Knowledge always helps…

Humans have intelligent brains.. we can invent and discover things.. Whether we use an atom to create a nuclear bomb in a destructive manner or to create a nuclear reactor in a constructive manner is what that matters.. and this has nothing to do with science.. its the human nature that matters..

Even in extremely uncivilized tribal areas where there is no science or technology, there still will be wars, fights and deaths. the only difference being these tribes fight with sticks, stones, bows and arrows while modern nations have nuclear arsenal…

I agree on the last note that we need to ensure that the quality of life on this planet becomes even better.. that we preserve nature.. let other species live.. stop fighting amongst ourselves.. and make earth, a heaven on earth..

In what way humans will be benefited by knowing the age of of the universe as the the average age of human beings is not even 100 years which is so minuscule comparing to the ages of these yugas, universe or multiverse whatever. Can human beings stop the death of the earth or universe or the cycle of these ages or can we live happily without resource wars, religious blood baths, natural calamities, poverty and all by knowing the age of the universe from the vedas? If God is there and if he has created the universe and human beings, all he wants probably isn’t the welfare of human beings and environment without even bothering about whether human beings are really remembering Him or appreciating His work and all? I think it’s high time for human beings to think in those lines and try to find ways to live peacefully on this beautiful planet called Earth.

yes Indrajit
Vedas are called “”Apaurusheya”” meaning “”not of human origin””

I just wanted to contribute to the objection raised by Aa No Bhadrah regarding the being able to question the credibility of Vedic Kowledge.

I would like to say to all that Vedic Kowledge CANNOT be questioned. The reason for that is very simple. You see, Vedic knowledge is not “”scientific”” knoiwledge, as in it is not knowledge aquired through inference drwan from observation of any external fact. Rather, Vedic knowledge is knowledge aquired “”internally””, i.e. in meditative trance and in states of being in direct communion with God himself. It is in this way that great meditators or “”rishi””s in the vedic age aquired profound knowledges about the beginning and the end of the Universe and learnt about other mysteries of creation, rather than through any external means.
Therefore this knowledge cannot be questioned.
I have read somewhere that the Vedas were created through the mouth of the Brahma himself. So this is not about the results of some experiements at Harvard..this is about the “”creator”” of the Universe himself and noone can talk about it ( unless he is telling stories) without knowing firmly what he/she is talking about.
To GD, about the discrepancy in the Vedic age and the modern scientific age I just wanted to make an observation that the Vedic age would be the age of the Universe combining all the seven lokahs( plus the seven hells) together and not the age of the physical Universe alone (unless all the Mythological Lokahs are all situatedwithin this universe). This just might be the reason for the seen discripancy.

Amazing work GD!

I was just wondering if u could tell me the exact references to the verses in Vedas which mention the age of the Universe etc. Thanks. Keep up the good work.

@GD ..

Hello GD .. Hope your well.

What are your thoughts on below article

http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-06a-05.asp

@Krishna

I am not sure whether you have read one of my earlier comments. The copyright is for the article, not for the information in it. It is just to make sure that people don’t copy paste my articles in other sites and claim that they wrote it.

Consider a physics professor who writes a physics book on quantum mechanics. The copyright of the book belongs to the physics professor, because he wrote it. Now does that in any way mean that the physics professor has copyrighted quantum mechanics? :)

Knowledge can never be copyrighted!

Thanks for sharing this knowledge, however, copyrighting this subject is absurd (please don’t get me wrong), because if you can claim copyrights to this, then there shouldn’t be any problem getting patents for turmeric by the west!

@Umesh

Please let me know what exactly you are looking at..

This is amazing calculation. I like to go into the subtler level of experiences. I now want to transcend the material existence. Please any good pointers ?
Thanks,
Um.

@Aa No Bhadrah

Now I totally agree with you :)

I didn’t actually mean that the scientific accuracy of vedas is not questionable.. It is not some holy book where religious faith asks you not to question it…

What I meant was the fact that the “”vedas contain scientific knowledge and research study”” is unquestionable. This was more of a reply to what Max Muller initially had said that, vedas were childish texts!

And yes, all the current known scientific facts and what is said in vedas match perfectly, at least the ones that I know are in total agreement with modern science! The age of the universe is something which modern science is still debating about, where as vedas give an accurate description about its calculations! Let us see how the truth unravels itself, or has it already! ;)

@ Gurudev
Thank you for your reply. But, I think I was not very successful in communicating my argument the last time. I hope you give me another opportunity to rephrase my argument.

For the argument I am making, it does not matter whether vedas achieved or did not achieve something. Even if it were a type VII civilization, to argue that they never could be wrong is an unconscious arrogance which is the enemy of pursuit of knowledge. If we ever want to pursue knowledge, we should be careful never to assert that

“”There is absolutely no way the age of universe estimated by them would be wrong.””

as you just did. Remember the famous saying “”Vidya dadati vinayam””..

And it is not valid to argue that just because XYZ was older than ABC, XYZ should necessarily be better. How old was the famous Ashtavakra of Mahabharathan mythology when he defeated Vandin ? Hindu Mythology is filled with stories of enlightened youth who were wiser than their elders and the elders acknowledging it as such , of ageless Gods themselves being wrong- since, when did age become a criterion of wisdom ?

Didn’t Buddha say the following to the enquiring Kalamas?

“”ma anussavena, ma paramparaya, ma itikiraya, ma pitakasampadanena, ma takkahetu, ma nayahetu, ma akaraparivitakkena ma ditthinijjhanakkhantiya, ma bhabbarupataya, ma samano no garuti”” (Roughly translated as “” Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing ; nor upon tradition; nor upon rumor ; nor upon what is in a scripture ; nor upon surmise; nor upon an axiom; nor upon specious reasoning; nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over; nor upon another’s seeming ability;
nor upon the consideration, “”The monk is our teacher.”””” )

It is indeed my humble opinion that these words encapsulate what it means to pursue knowledge…

I hope this clarifies my previous comment and why I think I was not good at expressing my opinion the last time. But, if you still think it is a right thing to assert infallibility of Vedas, If you think the words of Buddha that I quoted above are not the right way to approach knowledge, let us graciously agree to disagree.

@Ashwin

Yes you are absolutely right. In this era of internet though we can preserve all the vedic knowledge by making it online and there by also enlighten those who dont know much about the vedas.

yes, our Vedas are way more advanced than modern day science can possibly conceive. It is an immensely heart-wrenching fact to reconcile with that our lack of unity.has led to countless invasions and occupations through which we have lost a majority of the lessons of the vedas. thats why we have to sit and listen while the white man exclaims some scientific discovery, while we know that from the vedic point of view, it is but an echo.

ashwin gowtam
Singapore

@harish
Thank you very much for your appreciation Harish. I really do not know much about the vedas, I have been continuously learning things including vedas and writing down my thoughts in simple terms to share whatever I know. Thats all :)

My purpose will be met if atleast some of the visitors find this information useful in one or the other way. India has offered a lot to the world in the past, and will continue to offer much more in the future too. I am just trying to be in line with this tradition by writing this blog.

Its 3:15 AM when i am writing this.

Your blog is very informative and wonderful. I have no words to express my feeling about your knowledge. Although I am looking for spiritual answers, your knowledge about veda is just superb. (I know u will say, “”I do not know too much about the vedas””) But considering others who know the vedas, u r having a very open minded perspective about various topics.

@Aa No Bhadrah
I understand your concerns. What you said is right. If I were a person who is relying only on research done and mysteries solved by others, and just reading articles of others, I would have definitely had that as an option too.

People today have simply no idea about how advanced the vedic and pre-vedic civilizations were!! Our science is still much primitive in that sense!! We are still a Type 0 Civilization who rely on fossil fuels of dead animals and plants!! Vedic texts talk about Type II civilizations!! There is absolutely no way the age of universe estimated by them would be wrong. At least, it will be more near to truth than our current science. Note that the age of the universe mentioned in the vedas is not that of our current big bang universe, instead it is the age of the current multiverse, with our big bang universes being one of the bubbleverses in it!!

Note that 90% of our modern science and technology is only 500 years old, people of vedic age lived 10000 years ago!! And dont know from how long back!!! The timescale itself is enough to dwarf our science and technology. We cant even do proper carbon dating today! All screwed up polluting technologies we have :)

Interesting post – It is indeed quite difficult to find online the details of Cosmological theories in ancient India. So, I should greatly appreciate the effort you have put into writing this post.

Having said that, I have some criticisms to offer on your comments above that I hope would be taken in good taste.

Regarding your reply to Rob , it is a fallacy to assert that vedas were
right about A,B,C and so they should be right about some completely unrelated subjects D,E and F. Especially in science, everyone is fallible – Newton was wrong about speed of light in dense medium, Einstein was wrong about quantum mechanics and so on. To take the third option “”Vedas could have been wrong”” out of consideration is to descend into unscientific, dangerous and dogmatic belief. So, it is a valid criticism that you should have mentioned that option in your article.

thanks very much for your website. i am interested in the ancient Indian texts, and the mysteries & wisdom contained there in. your website makes it just a bit simpler to get easy acces to some astonishing facts.
great work

@Natarajan
Yes Sir, even your calculations are correct.
I have calculated it in terms of Yugas hence it will be 15×4 = 60 Yugas = 6 Mahayugas (because 1 Mahayuga=10 Yugas)
You have calculated it in terms of Kritayugas hence it will be 15×4/10=6 Mahayugas (because 1 kritayuga=4 yugas = 4/10 Mahayuga)
It is really great that you are interested in the scientific aspects of our culture and read about the same. I am honoured with the blessings of elders like you.
Thank you very much.
Gurudev

@arachnid

Because I wrote the article!!!!

There are innumerable PhD thesis that have been done based on the vedic sciences and the authors hold the rights to the research they did!

Copyright is for the article I wrote. Every author has a right to claim the copyrights for his/her article/novel/story.

How can you possibly claim copyright to this article?

Sorry a correction. If possible please correct in the above the following.
15 twilights equal to 15 x 4/10 Maha Yugas instead of 15 x 4/5 of Maha Yugas. A kirta yuga equals to 4/10 of the Maha Yuga and not 4/5 of Maha Yuga so 15 x 4/10 equals 6 Maha Yuga.

V. Natarajan

I really appreciate the simple language used for every one to understand the extaordinary figures of the life of the universe.

One point I would like to say is that you have mentioned that there is a gap between two manvanataras. This is actually like the twilight we have every day. For the 14 manvantaras there are 14 twilights and at the end you have a sandhya (like the evening before sun set) which makes total 15. Each twilight timing is equal to 1 krita yuga which is 4/5 of the maha yuga. 15 twilights will make 15 x 4/5 maha yuga equals to 6 maha yuga. This added to 994 maha yugas (14 manvantaras x 71 Maha Yugas = 994) makes a total of 1000 Maha Yugas which is a Kalpa called a day of Brahma.

I understang that we are in the 51st birth day of Brahma.

I am aged 65 and have retired from Raymond Ltd after a stint of 30 years with them and I spend reading these kind of informative and interesting information.

With best wishes for the interest shown and the job done to keep alive our ancient tradition and works.

V. Natarajan

I agree with Rajesh, even science has no answers for evolution or how the a life a created, its still like a magic to scientist.
so have an open mind Rob.

@Vamsi
Thanks for your wishes dude.

@Rajesh
Yes, what is very much important is an unbiased outlook which only searches for the truth.

This all really sounds pretty interesting!
Science & technology are required to be seen with un-prejudiced eyes.
Respecting vedas cause it is part of indian culture or rejecting it cause it looks like somekind of pseudo religio-philosphical text is not correct.
They need to be respected because the kind of predictions or facts stated in them are are proven or can’t be because their explanation is too cryptic for current state of the human mind.

Anyway, there are still lots of things in the world that be belive are facts like wright brothers invented first airplane(try google for a frenchman who is said to create the first plane) or moon landing(yeah i know, it sounds stupid but NASA doesn’t have answer to all the questions yet) & so on …
So it’s best to keep a open mind :)

You have carried out a very good research.You still go on with the work.We,the Indians have to tell the world that,we are very much advanced in Science & Mathematics long back itself. Cary on.All the very best to you from my side.

@Rob
Yeah I would have probably said that vedas might be wrong as u said, provided vedas had ONLY talked about the age of the universe!
But then thay talk about a thousand other different scientific facts which modern science totally agrees to. Read the books like ‘Dancing Wi Li Master’, ‘Tao of Physics’ etc and you will know more.

It was Oppenheimer, Father of modern atomic bomb who saw the description of nuclear weapons in these ancient texts.

It was quantum physicsists like Schrodinger, Bohr, Heisenberg who saw quantum mechanical descriptions in the Vedas..

It is in these vedas (to be more precisde in the Atharvaveda) that place value based arithmetic has been described which is the foundation of modern science. As Einstein said ‘We should be be grateful to the Indians for teaching us how to count without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made’

It is in these vedas that Ayurveda the world’s first medical system has been described which is a total herbal based medical system and even today is known to cure ailments without any side effects. While western medicinde (say for ex diclofenac, anti histhamines etc) try to target the disease, ayurveda fights the disease by strengthening the immune system which in turn fights agaisnt the disease.

THe Yogic exercises which have been described in the vedas are practised world wide today and is known to cure a lot of hormore related and muscular and bone related issues.

I can go on and on with this list…

When so many things are scientifically correct, it makes little sense to doubt the vedic calculations of the age of the universe.
Please note that most of the current scientific discoveries have been made in the last 500 years or so… Vedas reigned over 6000 years ago even by the minimal estimate (See NASA geological proof on Saraswati river and its extinction which has been described in the vedas).

Can you imagine the kind technology that might have been invented and the kind of scientific discoveries that would have been made by humans in the period of so many thousand years ?

“”So either modern science still has a long way to go in estimating the age of our universe
OR
the universe mentioned in vedas is the mother of all universes (a multiverse probably) including our own universe !!!””

That’s what you call a false dichotomy. Another possibility is simply that the Vedas themselves may be wrong on this.

Haha ctrl+c + ctrl+v cant be copyrighted buddy :-)

well, a nice write up. i guess you had to invest lot of time into it, unless its a ctrl-c + ctrl-v process. you can also find more on this in a topic called Linga Puranam, try googling it, may be the first or second result.

@Maddy
Well becos the west has been stealing ancient Indian knowledge and patenting them. Looks so silly to me. Stealing age old practices instead of inventing new things.
For instance, Ayurvedic texts that date back to BCE have mentioned about the antiseptic nature of turmeric and its usage, and its a common household knowledge in entire India. University of Mississipi Medical Centre, Jackson, USA had filed for a patent of this property of turmeric in 1995.
Later US Patent Office revoked the turmeric patent on the basis of a challenge filed by the New Delhi-based Council for Scientific and Industrial Research (CSIR). Turmeric has been used for thousands of years in India for healing wounds and rashes, and so CSIR challenged the patent on the ground that it lacked novelty. The US Patent Office upheld the objection and cancelled the patent.
Patents on Neem, Amla, Jar Amla, Anar, Salai, Dudhi, Gulmendhi, Basumati, Bagbherenda, Karela, Rangoon-ki-bel, Erand, Vilayetishisham, Chamkura all need to be revoked similarly.
In India, we simply dont respect these patents by US companies/universities, it looks complete nonsense and silly that research in US has come down to this level of claiming ancient practices/knowledge of the east as new invention of the west and then trying to patent them as a proprietary of the west.
Say for instance, What if ancient Indians had patented the invention of Zero ?
Every computer manufacturer in the world today should have paid royalty to India for each computer they manufacture.

when contributing to English, put them all “”copyrights””, “”legal issues””, “”licenses”” and stuff. no worries at all.

Am also a person inclined to spirituality u r doing a wonderful work
Sudheep

Good research man,Keep going.